ARC TBC William Smith c1833--

[truebritmega]

hope you can all stop My lil niggle I just came across...

Selina w her parents of William and Elizabeth...

Yes it all looks fine.. but this lil thing I just came across threw me a lil... a number of trees on ancestry... have her w her parents of william and elizabeth.. but married firstly to a John Wakelam, (m1880) and then living as Selina Wakelam in1881 census

by 1901 census she is married to a William Hoggins and the 1901 censuis is showing the kids she had w this wakelam...

watcha think?

[Northern Lass]

Yup looks like it could be the end of my 'Smith' line

(Although....from another of my tree lines, my brazier....family line, i have another 'Smith' problem name that i might put a thread up for but she came from Kent originally, is this forum just for black country tho? (She lived, died etc in wolvo....)

no this forum is for UK
but if Wolverhampton post in the BC genealogy section.

if elsewhere post in General discussion.

[Northern Lass]

hope you can all stop My lil niggle I just came across...

Selina w her parents of William and Elizabeth...

Yes it all looks fine.. but this lil thing I just came across threw me a lil... a number of trees on ancestry... have her w her parents of william and elizabeth.. but married firstly to a John Wakelam, (m1880) and then living as Selina Wakelam in1881 census

by 1901 census she is married to a William Hoggins and the 1901 censuis is showing the kids she had w this wakelam...

watcha think?

So she is here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =542743576


marries first John Smith you have marriage and she is a spinster
Marriage: 3 April 1876 at St Luke, Bilston
John Smith – 21 – Bachelor – Engine Driver – Bilston – William Smith – Keeper
Selina Evans – 20 – Spinster – Bilston – William Evans – Boatman
Wit: Charles Evans, Elizabeth Harris
(Charles could be Selina's brother)


so then you saying she marries in 1880?

how can that be as she is on census with hubby John Smith in 1891 and 1901
1891 Census – 3 Vctoria Terrace, Bilston
John Smith – Head.M – 37 – Blast Engineer – Netherton
Selina Smith – Wife – 34 – (?) Staffs
Maria Smith – Dau – 16 – Dress Maker – Bilston
John H Smith – Son – 13 – Bilston
Phoebe A Smith – Dau – 5 – Priestfield
Charlie Smith – Son – 3 – Priestfield

1901 Census – Coseley Street, Bilston
John Smith – Head.M – 48 – Blast Furnaceman – Dudley
Salina Smith – Wife – 46 – Froghall, Staffs
John Henry Smith – Son.S – 23 – Stationary Engine Foreman – Bilston
Phoebe Ann Smith – Dau – 15 – Bilston
Charles Smith – Son – 13 – Boot Cutter Out – Bilston
William Thos Smith – Son – 9 – Bilston
Joseph Smith – Son (adopted) – 8 – Bilston
Phoebe Ellen Smith – (something written before Dau) Dau (adopted) – 8 or 4? – Bilston
Benjamin Doyle – Boarder.S – 15 – Crane Driver Steel Works – Bilston
//
Robert Henry Davies – (Brother-in-law crossed through)Head.M – 25 – Blast Furnace Labourer – Bilston
Maria Elizh. Davies – (Lodger crossed through) Wife – 26 – Bilston
(Daughter of Selina (Evans) Smith)
John Henry Davies – (Nephew crossed through) Son – 2 – Bilston

See Selina for 1911 Census

[grangers14]

There is a marriage
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1880
WAKELAM John EVANS Selina Lower Gornal, St James Dudley Register Office 215/005/216

And I can see Selina Evans with him. May be if we follow that family see what that shows?

[BC Wench]

You say that this is your grandfather’s birth certificate:-

William Thomas Smith b 13th May 1891...
father John Smith Blast Furnace Engineer
Mother Selina Smith formerly Evans (x the mark...)

Ward Street Bilston

So you were looking for a marriage of a John SMITH and Selina Evans and bought the certificate:-

Marriage: 3 April 1876 at St Luke, Bilston
John Smith – 21 – Bachelor – Engine Driver – Bilston – William Smith – Keeper
Selina Evans – 20 – Spinster – Bilston – William Evans – Boatman
Wit: Charles Evans, Elizabeth Harris

Nothing at all to do with Wakelam or Hoggins as far as I can see.

[grangers14]

This is the other Selina,

1881. 30 East Street, Sedgley,
Mary Hopkins, head, 58, Field Labourer, Shropshire ?
Alice Jones, Grand daur, 14, General Servant, Sedgley
William Harper, visitor, 60, Farm labourer, Shropshire, Claverley?
John Wakelam, lodger, 23, Coal Miner, Sedgley
Selina, lodgers wife, 22, Brickmaker, Sedgley
Thomas, Lodgers son, 4, Sedgley
/Mary Jeavons, Lodger, 23, Brickmaker,Sedgley
Henry Jeavons, lodgers son, 5, Sedgley

1891. 19 West Street, Sedgley
John Wakelam, head, 33, Coal Miner
Selina, wife, 33,
Thomas, son, 10,
George, son, 8,
Elizabeth, daur, 6,
Daniel, son, 4,
David, son, 1,
All born Gornal

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1897
WAKELAM Selina HOGGINS William Dudley Register Office Dudley Register Office DRO/016/35

1901. 4 East Street, Sedgley
William Hoggins, head,29, Miner
Selina, wife, 41,
Thomas Wakelam, step son, 20, Miner
George, step son, 17, Miner
Lizzie, step daur, 16,
Daniel, step son, 14, Miner
Sarah, step daur, 8,
David, step son, 6
All born Redhall Lower Gornal

1911. 5 Red Hall Road, Gornal Wood
Selina Hoggins, head, 53, W, 13 children, 6 living
Thomas Wakelam, son, 30, coal miner
George Wakelam, son, 27, Boot repairer
Izzie Timmins, daur, 24, married
Daniel Wakelam, son, 23, married, away (all corossed out)
Sarah Wakelam, daur, 18,
David Wakelam, son, 16,
Benjamin Timmins, lodger, 25, married, Coal Miner
Lily Wakelam, daur, 5,
Sarah Timmins, daur, 3,
George W? Timmins, son, 1,
All born Sedgley

[grangers14]

As BC Wench says its another family. The address match on marriage and birth cert so the family is correct on BCC.
Selina Evans is another person.
Jo

[truebritmega]

ahhh ty very much both of you... and yes Grangers14 that was the other family...

I was sure the Selina we had worked out.. was.. the right one.. but when i came across that other bunch, well.. you can see why that lil niggle inside me made Me doubt myself? lol?

And one last question.... (then I can put selina.. to bed..so to speak lol)

Her Daughter Maria Elizabeth...
her free reg details were...


County Staffordshire
Place Bilston
Church High Street Primitive Methodist Chapel
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 08 Mar 1875
BaptismDate 28 Mar 1875
Forename Maria Elizabeth
Sex F
FatherForename
MotherForename Lena
FatherSurname EVANS <<<
MotherSurname
Abode Smith Street
FatherOccupation
Notes
FileNumber 36199

Where it has fathers name... Evans...thats not assuming that Marias actual dad.. is an "Evans" is it?? but because the mother herself.. is an Evans? (would be a lil odd.. but not unknown i guess.. that the dad too happened to be an Evans) ??

(and ty all for putting up with My stupid.. questions)

[grangers14]

Maria Elizabeth must be an illegitimate child of Selina.
Jo

[rockyfowler]

30 May 1880 St James Lower Gornal
John WAKELAM 23 B Miner Red Hall (Both Father & Occupation Blank )
Selina Evans 22 S Abbey Road father William Evans Miner
After Banns The X of Both
Wit; David Evans X / Esther Wakelam X

[grangers14]

Thats good RF
Can we put this back in Black Country section and I will add?
Jo

[grangers14]

I have started adding, not done yet...
Jo

[truebritmega]

So only one question remains for my.... Real Selina...where is she in 1881?

[grangers14]

I have searched and searched for Selina and cant see her...may be she has been missed off or transcribed wrong? I wondered if she had been in hospital as there is a gap in ages of children and sometimes they are down just as initials but I couldnt see to be conclusive...
I have added the family you were questioning here to BCC.
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ans-Family

[grangers14]

I have added the other Selina and John Wakeman here,
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ans-Family

We can may be try and find more info and run in the BCC section.
If you think its all been added truebritmega may be added completed on your first title here so it can be archived?
Jo