ARC TBC........Edwin Toye b 1860----

[Northern Lass]

I think that death in 1937 would be worth getting
might be wrong one ...............but to me I would get that one.

[NickToye]

I think that death in 1937 would be worth getting
might be wrong one ...............but to me I would get that one.

Ok, I got one the other day for £10, I already had the form downloaded, but can't remember where I got it from. Ancestry charge around £25 or something.

[NickToye]

Nellie Toye's birth in 1886 was registered in the Kingswinford sub district of Stourbridge. Records are held at Dudley Register Office; if you wanted to order the certificate from them, the reference is: KIN/132/99. The death is also registered in Kingswinford sub district, reference KIN/072/106.

If the family were living at Quinton, I would have expected the birth to be registered in Halesowen sub district. However, in my experience, sometimes (particularly for first children) women went back to their mother's house to give birth - I would imagine to benefit from mother's experience and support, so I don't think you can necessarily rule it out.

Where would I order it from?

[NickToye]

It could be that Nellie was born in Wordsley workhouse, that would come under Kingswinford.

That is quite possible yes. Was it only in 1911 census that they asked how many children they had had?

[linell]

Don't buy your Certs from Ancestry Nick, they are a rip off, order them on line from the General Register Office using the Index Nos from Free BMD. They are I Believe abt nine pounds from there.

Linell.

[Jimmy]

It could be that Nellie was born in Wordsley workhouse, that would come under Kingswinford.

That is quite possible yes. Was it only in 1911 census that they asked how many children they had had?

Only the 1911 census gives how long married.

[NickToye]

Ok, 1937 death ordered.

Exciting stuff. I thought I was done, and then a trip to the BCC meetup and I get the bug again.

Nellie certificates ordered too. Although that is more for my own curiosity.

[FarSide]

Deaths Mar 1937
Toye Edwin 75 Birmingham 6d 140

Deaths Mar 1933
Toy Edwin 77 Wolverhampton 6b 810

1911 6 bk 23 denmark st Aston Manor B'ham
Edwin Toye Head married 49 13 years married 3 children 3 living Bricklayer
Florence A could be an M 39 married
Fanny Toye dau 12
Edwin Toye son 4
Marion G Toye dau 1
all born Birmingham

Don't see the 1937 one..

From Ancestry
Probate Date: 29 Mar 1933
Death Date: 12 Feb 1933
Death Place: Wolverhampton, West Midlands, England

Toy Edwin of 48 Lower Vauxhall Wolverhampton died 12 Feb 1933
Probate Birmingham 29 March to Ellen Toy spinster and Frederick Seymour Toy clerk.
Effects (P)678 18s 7d

[NickToye]

Hope so, I've just spent £10 ordering it.

[NickToye]

That 1933 one looks very interesting. Ellen Toy gets probate? But according to my records she died in 1921. I actually have her death certificate on order so will know more then.

[Jimmy]

The Ellen Toy mentioned in that probate record was a spinster.

[NickToye]

The Ellen Toy mentioned in that probate record was a spinster.

So what does that mean? She was never married? Well isn't one of the Edwin's we discovered earlier living with an Ellen Toy as well as others, so it could be a daughter? Bit weird to have a daughter with another woman and call it the same name as the wife you used to beat.

[Jimmy]

Spinster means never married.

[NickToye]

Spinster means never married.

Ok then I think I will need to research that Ellen Toy because its obviously a different one.

[Northern Lass]

Do you want to start a new thread off now with ellens query
cos getting bit long this thread
put the key points in you have re her and what you need saves folk wading thru loads of pages

let us know will you re that edwin death certif when you get it pls nick

I can archive this thread once you post new one on Ellen.