*Arch * -Marriage of David Harris and Sarah Smith C b1845

[Nutsy]

Thing is, I can't seem to find anything on David and Sarah Bloomer other than a private tree, which is litlte or no info. When I contacted them I mentioned that the David I was looking for was the son of Joseph and May Harris and it seems that they have added Jospeh as David's father, but there are no details at all on Jospeh and all they have on David is his year of birth. I would have thought that if he married into their family, that they would have a bit more info than that.

This is so totally confusing.

[dianel]

There is something strange about the dates for Sarah Bloomer:

Marriage was 1865 when David was 30 and Sarah 19?
Or 1862 when she was 16?

Marriages Mar 1865
Barker Mary Kidderminster 6c 271
Bloomer Sarah Kidderminster 6c 271
Fraser James Kidderminster 6c 271
Harris David Kidderminster 6c 271

From Linell:
“the Cradley Vicar's Notebook have a David and Sarah Harris living with John and Eliza Bloomer Colley Lane Cradley 1863/64, David and Sarah Harris have a one year old son Joseph."

How can this be when they married in 1865?

Nutsy found from private tree, Ancestry:
“1862
Age: 16 Marriage to david harris

1863
Age: 17 Description
Colley Lane
Description: A Mirror to the Flock: married to david harris, living with her parents"

This latter fits with the Vicar's Notebook entry but not with the marriage in Kidderminster.

[Nutsy]

This is on the Bloomer family tree

Jospeh Bloomer
Birth: abt 1838
Cradley, Worcestershire,
Death: January 1914
Cradley, , Worcestershire,


1851 -Cradley, Worcestershire,
Age: 13 Residence
125, Park Terrace, iron roller/mill boy

1857 20 Park Row
Description: A Mirror to the Flock:Working at New English Iron Company. Birth 20th Oct. Teaching at Weslyan school. 'sacrement'.
Age: 19 Description

1866
11 Aug Age: 28 Marriage to Lucy Woodhouse
Wesleyan Chapel Stourbridge/Cradley?Worcestershire,England
Description: Iron heater. Witnesses, James Wharton and Sarah Benson

1870
Age: 32 Mission Cradley Wesleyan Church
Description: Lay preacher

1871
Age: 33 Residence
Rowley Regis, Staffordshire,
Description: 20, kings street, 'heater'. Living next to Baptist minister born in Jamaica

1881
Age: 43 Residence
Rowley Regis, Staffordshire,
Description: 35, High Street, iron worker at iron works

1887
- 1897 Age: 49 Superintendent of Ebineezer Chapel
Cradley Wesleyan Methodist Chapel.

1891
Age: 53 Residence
Rowley Regis, Staffordshire,
Description: sewing machine dealer

1901
Age: 63 Residence
Rowley Regis, Staffordshire,
Description: Insurance agent

1914
Jan Age: 76 Death Cradley, , Worcestershire,
Description: Burial at Cradley Wesleyan Church
The story of Colley Gate "Providence" Methodist Church

Added to Joseph Bloomer by lindarice1963 on 30 Dec 2007
courtesy of Ancestry trees
for more info see the tree on ancestry re sources etc.

[Nutsy]

Also, there are 3 Sarah Bloomers on the tree...
but just the one who goes by Sarah with no middle name or initial....

Bloomer, sarah
abt 1846 - Cradley, Worcestershire, -

Bloomer, Sarah
abt 1860 - Cradley, Worcestershire, -

Bloomer, Sarah Jane
abt 1848 - Oldbury, Worcestershire,-

Bloomer, Sarah Jane
abt 1860 - Quarry Bank, Staffordshire, -

[Nutsy]

Two Joseph Harris' also.. but only one with any details

harris, joseph
----
Harris, Joseph
1814 - Worcestershire, Cradley -

[Nutsy]

SARAH ANN HARRIS - Bloomer Family Tree -

Sarah Ann Harris
Birth: abt 1867
Cradley Heath, Staffordshire,

1871
Age: 4 Residence
Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England

[Northern Lass]

Nutsy I have added that look up to the list.
Think we need to wait now until we know if it is Bloomer or Smith based on info back from that look up
or we are just going around the houses

[Nutsy]

Ok thanks for that NL.. much appreciated.

[Northern Lass]

Ok Have done the look up it does look as though it must be the bloomer marriage
but the only way to be really really sure would be to purchase the Bloomer certif as it is not at the churches that we know of or rather the info to guide us to which church is absent.

So on this Harris and Smith one I looked up ..
David Harris is full age...so must be over 21
He is a chainmaker ( as is the one with dau annie m harris on 1871)
His father is a Blacksmith not a labourer ( again kinda tallies with that lot on 1871- cos unfortunately this guy is Joseph too!)

so I think it aint your one...but here...you decide..

24 April 1864 St Thomas Dudley
-David Harris- full- bach- chainmaker- Dudley- Joseph Harris- Blacksmith
-Sarah Smith- full- spinster- Dudley- Timothy Smith dead- miner
banns
David signed X Sarah
Wit- X Emma Percival
and X David Calloway


be useful to see on prev census if the father of the david with dau annie m ie the b 1835 one, if that father joseph is a blacksmith
that would help

[Nutsy]

Thanks so much for that NL... Emma Percival rings a bell though.. Need to go check to see where she fits in.. sounds awfully familiar, so am guessing she married one of the boys somewhere down the line...

Will check back in when I get home from work..

I do so appreciate what you've done. At least we have something to go on now, as confusing as it still is in some ways.

[Northern Lass]

No probs Nutsy

Okedoke shall we archive this now?
do you need anymore on this Nutsy

So Unless otherwise advised this topic will be moved to archived section within 24 hrs...it can always be brought back to the boards with new info to discuss...

[Nutsy]

I don't seem to be able to find the family on the 1841 Census, but in 1851 Joseph is listed as a Colliery Labourer. Blacksmith to Colliery Labourer doesn't seem to make sense does it.

Oh well, back to the drawing board I guess.

[Nutsy]

Quick question.

How can I order the marriage certificate if I can't find a record of the marriage. I can't find the Bloomer marriage on the Free BMD. Where else can I find it and order it from?

I do think that the Harris/Smith isn't the right one, as in 1864 my David would have only been 19.


Thanks ever so much NL..it was really good of you to check this out for me.

[Northern Lass]

I suggest you go via the GRO
either by post or online

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/order ... ndex.asp#0

have a read on that link it is quite straight forward
I use the GRO to order online
you have to register first then give a credit card when you order the certif
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

you need the GRO ref too which is on one of the back posts on this thread...think Jimmy flagged it

[Nutsy]

Thanks NL.. will look into that.. Now that I've had a chance to have a good read of what you found out about David Harris and Sarah Smith, I have to agree with you in that, they are the wrong couple.


So, looks like it is the Blooomer one.