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Re: John Hackett b 1808 m Jane Hill b1811-need their parents

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peterd wrote:di here the reverse of that marriage that proves timothy was the father


Sarah Ann Perry

Father: Thomas Perry

Spouse: Joseph Hackett
Marriage: 16 JUL 1865 Rowley Regis, Stafford,

Husband Age at Marriage: 23
Wife Age at Marriage: 20


here also your missing marriage

PERRY Rebecca NICHOLLS William J 1868 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/026/156

you going to do the link di ?


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FarSide wrote:Poss - Samuel's first wife
1851
96
Springfield, Rowley
Samuel Hill 27 - Engineer
Amela Hill 28
Harriet Hill 5
Elizabeth Hill 2
Enoch Hill 1 Mo
all b Rowley

1843
HILL Samuel SMITH Amelia West Bromwich, Christ Church Sandwell Register Office 23/1/305

2 deaths for an Amelia Hill
1866
HILL Amelia Kingswinford Dudley Register Office KIN/041/31

1873
HILL Amelia Kingswinford Dudley Register Office KIN/052/24



carnt be niether of them deaths he remarried in 1861 to elizabeth

poss one of these

HILL Samuel CUTLER Elizabeth 1856 Dudley, St Edmund West Midlands Dudley Register Office 201/003/13
HILL Samuel JOHNSON Elizabeth 1859 Dudley, St Edmund West Midlands Dudley Register Office 201/003/240

my guess would be the first one if ann age 3 in 1861 is elizabeth
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poss death amelia

HILL Amilia 1852 - Rowley Regis West Midlands Sandwell Register Office RR/9/180
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Ok I have lost the plot on this now! :lol: :oops:
head swimming with look ups! :shock:
Which I will try and post later..

So you Gene terriers where are we up to on this re it being put on Connections?
can someone post the link where up to and let us know what needs to go on.....
Oh! and if ought needs to a volunteer!!

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Perry link on BC from here:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&pid=13600&rand=271851545
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Nice one Di :wink:

Ok everyone just added a few more bits to this and I reckon it is done for now!
We still need to know the connection of Jane Hackett(nee Hill) to Joseph Hill b 1821 married to Elizabeth
We have some possible marriages for a Joseph Hill and Elizabeth...so will check.

Odd that family in 1841 Benjamin Hill and Elizabeth with a Joseph ( b abt 1823) Timothy and other kids.
Cant be our Joseph as he has to be married by then
but why cant we find him on the census

anyone fancy having a stab at finding Joseph Hill and Wife Elizabeth on the 1841 possibly with a Caroline Hill age 1 or maybe under 1

I think the Benjamin Hill on 1841 links to Timothy Hill cos of the marriage that Linell found where a Timothy was the witness.
So possibly more Cousins for Jane Hill

Wonder if the father for Joseph is that Thomas Hill living next door in 1851..maybe another bro for Timothy Hill snr and Benjamin Hill

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Re: John Hackett b 1808 m Jane Hill b1811-need their parents

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anyone fancy having a stab at finding Joseph Hill and Wife Elizabeth on the 1841 possibly with a Caroline Hill age 1 or maybe under 1


Don't see any of them on the 41
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dianel wrote:1841 New Street, Rowley Regis
Benjamin Hill 40 Coal Miner
Ann Hill 35
Joseph Hill 18
Timmothey Hill 15
Mary Hill 12
Benjame Hill 8
In same house, I think:
Thomas Perry 20


I think this Benjamin dies and his widow, Hannah/Ann eventually marries the lodger, Thomas Perry:

1851 Cherry Orchard Street, Rowley Regis
Hannah Hill Head Widow 45 b. Rowley Regis
Benjamin Hill Son Un 17 Coal Miner b. Rowley Regis
John Pritchard Inmate Mar 24 Coal Miner b. Worcs., Netherton
Mary Pritchard (nee Hill?) Inmate's Wife 21 b. Rowley Regis
Ann M Pritchard Daur 3 b. Rowley Regis
Thomas Pritchard Son 1 b. Rowley Regis
Thomas Perry Inmate 28 Coal Miner b. Rowley Regis
William Cotton Inmate 21 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Bromsgrove
(I think the Mary Pritchard above is daughter of Benjamin & Hannah/Ann. They stay living next door to the family right until 1901)

1861 Cherry Orchard
Entry 284
Thomas Perry Head 40 Carter - Ag. Lab. b. Rowley Regis
Ann Perry Wife 58 b. Rowley Regis

I have to figure out how this Thomas Perry fits in to my Perrys. He does, I'm sure.
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Think Hannah's son, Benjamin is in Garratts Lane in 1861:

1861 Garratts Lane, Rowley Regis
Benjamin Hill Head 26 Coal Miner b. Rowley Regis
Mary Hill Wife 26 b. Rowley Regis
Thomas Hill Son 4 b. Rowley Regis
John Hill Son 2 b. Rowley Regis

Back in Cherry Orchard are:
1861 Cherry Orchard
Entry 232
Josiah Hackett Head 34 Horse Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
Ellen Hackett Wife 27 b. Worcs., Dudley
George Hackett Son 3 b. Rowley Regis
Prudence Hackett Daur 1 b. Rowley Regis

Entry 279
John Pritchard Head 54 Coal Miner b. Dudley, Worcs.
Mary Ann Pritchard Wife 32 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
Ann Maria Pritchard Daur 13 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
John Pritchard Son 8 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis

Entry 284
Thomas Perry Head 40 Carter - Ag. Lab. b. Rowley Regis
Ann Perry Wife 58 b. Rowley Regis
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In 1871 the family are all in Cherry Orchard together:

1871 Cherry Orchard, Rowley Regis
Entry 130
John Pritchard Head 44 Coal Miner b. Worcs., Dudley
Mary A Pritchard Wife 42 b. Rowley Regis
Hannah M Unit Daur Wid 23 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
John Son Pritchard Unm 18 Miner b. Rowley Regis
Mary A Pritchard Daur 6 Scholar b. Rowley Regis
James Pritchard Son 3 b. Rowley Regis

Entry 131
Benjamin Hill Head 37 Miner b. Rowley Regis
Meria Hill Wife 39 b. Rowley Regis
Thomas Hill Son 14 Scholar b. Rowley Regis
John Hill Son 12 Scholar b. Rowley Regis
Emily Hill Daur 9 Scholar b. Rowley Regis
Mary I Hill Daur 6 Scholar b. Rowley Regis
Benjamin Hill 4 b. Rowley Regis
Ellen Hill 1 b. Rowley Regis

Next:
Entry 132
Thomas Perry Head Mar 50 Lab. b. Rowley Regis
Ann Perry Wife Mar 66 b. Rowley Regis
Eliza Perry Daur 21 b. Rowley Regis

Entry 133
Josiah Hackett Head 43 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
Eleanor Hackett Wife 34 b. Rowley Regis
George Hackett Son 13 Nail Maker b. Rowley Regis
Prudence Hackett Daur 11 b. Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Hackett Daur 8 b. Rowley Regis
Tom Hackett Son 6 b. Rowley Regis
Lois Hackett Daur 5 b. Rowley Regis
James Hackett Son 1 b. Rowley Regis
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In 1891 most of them are still in Cherry Orchard. Hannah/Ann has died. Her son Benjamin has a lodger, James Whittall living with him:
38 Cherry Orchard, Rowley Regis
Benjamin Hill Head 58 M Labourer at Breeze Coal Oven b. Rowley Regis
Mary Hill Wife 56 M b. Worcs., Dudley
Ellen Hill Daur 21 U b. Rowley Regis
Joseph Hill Son 19 U General Labourer b. Rowley Regis
James Whitil Boarder 18 U Coal Miner b. Rowley Regis

39 Cherry Orchard, Rowley Regis
Thomas Perry Head Widr 74 Living on Own Means b. Rowley Regis
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Wow Di! :shock:

Ok question...we havent put that Benjamin and wife ann on yet
need to link him to this Jane Hill etc etc?

How about finding some baptisms ie finding out if Benjamin b abt 1800 Timothy b abt 1800 are bros
odd that lot are no where on 1841 census Joseph Hill or even dau Caroline
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there this

CAROLINE HILL
Birth: 30 APR 1840
Christening: 27 SEP 1840 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England

Father: JOSEPH HILL
Mother: ELIZABETH


here that hill/pritchard marriage

Marriages Sep 1847

HILL Mary Ann Dudley 18 360
Pritchard John Dudley 18 360

HILL Mary A PRITCHARD John 1847 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/008/201
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:roll:

I mean bapts for Timothy snr and Benjamin snr the ones b in 1800
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Ok guys not sure where we are up to with this
think we have the bones of it maybe just a bit of flesh to add!

Di think some of the census detail above needs to go on if you get a min :wink:

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