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Re: Benjamin Brettell 1778 - 1845
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:13 pm
by FarSide
I don't see them on the 51
1841
Abelwell Street, Walsall Borough
Benjamen Brittell 60 - Ind
Susana Brittell 60
not b in county
are these still around on 1851 census?
Re: Benjamin Brettell 1778 - 1845
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:06 pm
by Northern Lass
dianel wrote:Yes, I think 2 Benjamins ...
This looks like Nancy Hardiman remarries after Benjamin's death pre-1841. Her second husband appears to be Joseph FOWLER. Benjamin not present and Nancy remarried, so can't be the same Benjamin Brittell with Susana in the 1841 that FS found.
1841 - Pare (Pear) Tree St., Rowley Regis
Joseph Fowler 35 Coal Miner N b. 1806
Nancy Fowler 20 (indistinct) N b. 1821 or if age is 40 - 1801
Nancy Brittle 15 Y b. 1826
Lucy Brittle 14 Y b. 1827
Meria Brittle 12 Y b. 1829
Mary Brittle 7 Y b. 1834
Benjamin Brittle 6 Y b. 1835
Josiah Brittle 3 Y b. 1838
Fanny Brittle 9 Mo Y b. 1840
Hannah Fowler 20 N b. 1821
It looks like Benjamin would have to have died 1840ish by date of Fanny's birth.
FreeBMD Marriage
Nancy Brettell 1841 Stourbridge Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
Joseph Fowler 1841 Stourbridge Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
And a 3rd marriage and widowhood for Nancy??? (Can't find the marriage, though)
1851 - Back of Garratts Lane, Rowley Regis
Nancy Tromans Head W 50 Nailmaker b. Worcs., Halesowen
Mary A Brettle Daur U 20 Nailmaker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Benjamin Brettle Son U 16 Coalminer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Josiah Brettle Son U 12 Chainmaker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Maria Cooper (nee Brettell?) Lodger M 23 Chainmaker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Timothy Cooper Son 5 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Hannah Cooper Daur 3 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Thomas Cooper 2 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Mary A Brettle Lodger 18 U Nailmaker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Benjamin Brettle Son 2 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
John Brettle Son 1 Mo b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
It appears that Mary Ann Brettle, lodger, aged 18 unmarried, is the mother of 2 illeitimate children and there is another Mary Ann aged 20, also unmarried, as Daughter of Nancy. Did they put Mary Ann down twice?
Di is there any chance you could stick this on Connections that you found please?
Re: Benjamin Brettell 1778 - 1845
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:02 am
by dianel
Sure.
Re: Benjamin Brettell 1778 - 1845
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:54 am
by dianel
Re: Benjamin Brettell 1778 - 1845
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:04 am
by Northern Lass
Great stuff Di!
Re: Benjamin Brettell 1778 - 1845
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:05 pm
by dianel
Found these:
Extracted entry:
NANCY HARDEMAN
Christening: 25 DEC 1801 Halesowen, Worcester
Father: JOSIAH HARDEMAN
Mother: ANN
Other children to Josiah & Ann:
JAMES HARDIMAN - Christening: 16 APR 1786 Halesowen, Worcs.
JOHN HARDEMAN - Christening: 06 APR 1788 Halesowen, Worcs.
JOSIAH HARDIMAN - Christening: 01 AUG 1790 Halesowen, Worcs.
WILLIAM HARDIMAN - Christening: 01 JUL 1792 Halesowen, Worcs.
LUCY HARDIMAN - Christening: 30 MAR 1794 Halesowen, Worcs.
CHARLES HARDIMAN - Christening: 31 DEC 1797 Halesowen, Worcs.
The names of the children make me think that this is probably Nancy's natal family.
What do you think? Need that look-up to confirm.
Re: Benjamin Brettell 1778 - 1845
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:19 pm
by Northern Lass
Yep that makes much more sense...
Do you fancy entering that lot and if any different when I do the look up I will sort it.
But to me it looks very very good as you say names of the kids.
Re: Benjamin Brettell 1778 - 1845
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:05 pm
by linell
Hi all, Lucy and Wm Hardman were witnesses to the Marriage of Benjamin and Nancy so it must be the right family. linell
Re: Benjamin Brettell 1778 - 1845
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:00 pm
by Northern Lass
nice one di and Linell....clever wotsits!
I have entered the Hardimans here...
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =242947702do let me know of any errors
and do you think we should change the surname spelling to Hardiman from Hardman?
Re: Benjamin Brettell 1778 - 1845
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:43 pm
by linell
I've got Hardeman NL, sorry you will have to make the executive desicion
Re: Benjamin Brettell 1778 - 1845
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:22 pm
by dumblonde
I have just found out that I really started something here,having been offline for two days. In reply to Linnell? have I spelt that right? I too am connected to Charles Brettell, cordwainer b 1776.Here is some info from parish records:-
Charles Brettell aged 77 buried 20/11/1853 at St Johns Halesowen
Elizabeth Brettell aged 61 buried 3/3/1839 at St Johns Halesowen ( could this be his wife)
Nathan Brettell son of Thomas and Mary Brettell of Hunnington bap 26/10/1746 at St Johns Halesowen ( Charles father)
Obedience dau of Wareing and Mary TOY of Hunnington bap 29/4/1744 at St Johns Halesowen ( Charles mother)
Nathan bach m Obedience TAY sp by licence 29/4/1771 at St Johns Halesowen witnesses Edward Tay and Joseph Chandler ( all signed names in full)
Nathan burial 21/3/1785 at St Johns Halesowen also the entry above this is
Ann wife of Benjamin Brettle buried 20/3/1785
Re: Benjamin Brettell 1778 - 1845
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:38 pm
by linell
Hi db, thanks for the Parish Information. I am connected to this family through Charles Brettell born 1839, he Married Harriet White 1861 Halesowen, Harriet's mother Phoebe White was the Step Sister of my Gt Gt Grandfather Arthur White Hackett. We couldn't find any Benjamin connections, do you have anymore information on him? Best Wishes from linell.
Re: Benjamin Brettell 1778 - 1845
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:55 am
by Northern Lass
Ok DB have entered most of the info on the link here...
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =815857005
Re: Benjamin Brettell 1778 - 1845
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:32 am
by peterd
here another brother for charles parents nathan and obedience
NATHAN BRETTELL Christening: 13 MAR 1778 Halesowen, Worcester, England
CHARLES BRETTELL Christening: 05 JAN 1776 Halesowen, Worcester, England
Re: Benjamin Brettell 1778 - 1845
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:36 am
by peterd
cant find a marriage for nathan jrn and elizabeth ?
nathan kid ?
SARAH BRETTEL
Christening: 25 DEC 1824 Halesowen, Worcester, England
Death: 12 JUN 1825
Parents:
Father: NATHAN BRETTEL
Mother: ELIZABETH
more kids
JOHN BRETTEL Christening: 10 OCT 1830 Halesowen, Worcester,
NATHAN BRETTLE Christening: 25 DEC 1828 Halesowen, Worcester,
CHARLES BRETTLE Christening: 06 AUG 1826 Halesowen, Worcester,
Death: 04 FEB 1827
WILLIAM BRETTELL Christening: 24 MAY 1837 Halesowen, Worcester,
ANN BRETTELL Christening: 24 MAY 1835 Halesowen, Worcester,
Death: 30 OCT 1836
any one fine these on 1841,51