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Re: James Speake

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Kaye re....."Is this John Grosvenor already on BCC here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =819248433

1841 New Road Halesowen
John Groener 60 Nial Forger
Elisabeth Groener 60
Joseph Groener 30 Cordwainer
Harriiott Groener 25 Nail Forger
William Groener 20 Bricklayer
Kezia Groener 15 Nail Forger"

there must be 2 Joseph Grosvenors so
2 John Grosvenors
cos the one on BCC with Parents John and Elizabeth is on the 1841 here....

1841 Quarry Bank
Joseph Grosvenor 35 Nail Maker not born in county
Lucinda Grosvenor 30 not born in county
John Grosvenor 8 born in county
Samuel Grosvenor 5 born in county
Seliena Grosvenor 3 born in county Joseph GrosvenorJunr 1 born in county
John Harris 15 Pudler born in county
Joseph Harris 15 pudler born in county

nail maker
b 1805 Cradley

I have deleted the info I put in for marriage to Elizabeth

so this lot above may be this one...

26 Mar 1803 St Johns Halesowen
John Grosvenor, otp, bach
Elizabeth Ditheridge, otp, spin
both signed X
by WS (Vicar)
Wit - B Hacket & Richd Fiddian junior
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Re: James Speake

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I think Emma might have been originally a 'Coley':

dianel wrote:1851 (transcribed as 'Geronn')
At New Road, Quinton, Ridgeacre
William Grovner Head Family 31 Brick Layer b. Worcs., Halesowen
Emma Grovner Wife 28 Nail Forger b. Staffs., Beech Lane, Harborne
Lavina Grovner Daur 10 Scholar b. Do Do
John Grovner Son 6 Scholar b. Worcs., Quinton
Ada Matilda Grovner Daur 3 Scholar b. Worcs., Quinton
Jane Elisabeth Grovner Daur 1 b. Worcs., Quinton
Agnes Coley Visitor 8 Scholar Correction: b. Worcs., Halley Green


1841
At Quinton, Hamlet of Warley Wigorn
Samuel Coley 40 Nailor not born in county
Charlotte Coley 35 not born in county
Emma Coley 18 not born in county
William Coley 10 not born in county
Mary Coley 8 not born in county
Thomas Coley 6 not born in county
Samuel Coley 4 born in county
Mira Coley 14 Mo born in county
Levina Coley 1 Mo born in county

1851
At Upper Lutley, Lutley, Halesowen, Worcs.
Samuel Coley Head 53 Labourer Farm b. Worcs., Wards End
Charlotte Coley Wife 48 Nailer b. Worcs., Quinton
Mary Coley Daur 17 Nailer b. Worcs., Quinton
Joseph Coley Son 7 b. Worcs., Quinton
Mariah Coley Daur 10 b. Worcs., Quinton

1861
At Wall Well, Hasbury
Samuel Coley Head 63 Labourer Iron Works b. Worcs., Warley
Charlotte Coley Wife 58 Nail Forger b. Worcs., Warley
William Coley Son 29 Labourer Iron Works b. Worcs., Quinton, Ridgeacre
Thomas Coley Son 25 Labourer Iron Works b. Worcs., Quinton, Ridgeacre
Samuel Coley Son 24 Labourer Iron Works b. Worcs., Quinton, Ridgeacre
Mira Coley Daur 21 Nail Forger b. Worcs., Quinton, Ridgeacre
Agnes Coley Daur 18 Nail Forger b. Worcs., Quinton, Ridgeacre
Joseph Coley Son 11 Labourer Iron Works b. Worcs., Quinton, Ridgeacre

Perhaps 2 marriages for Emma?
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Re: James Speake

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Samuel and Charlotte seemed to have farmed out many of their children in 1851 ...
Possibly Thomas and Samuel:

1851
At Adams Lane, Cakemore
Mary Whitehouse Head of House 55 Unm. Farmer of 34 acres employing .... (illegible) b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Sophiah Harris Visitor 2 D. of W. Harris a Farmer's Daughter b. Worcs., Haledsowen
Elijah Whitehouse Nephew 16 Farm Ag. labourer employed out b. Worcs., Warley Wigorn
Thomas Coley Lodger 15 Ag. Labourer b. N.K.
Samuel Coley Lodger 14 Ag. Labourer b. N.K.

and is Lavina Grovner 'Levina Coley':
dianel wrote:1851 (transcribed as 'Geronn')
At New Road, Quinton, Ridgeacre
William Grovner Head Family 31 Brick Layer b. Worcs., Halesowen
Emma Grovner Wife 28 Nail Forger b. Staffs., Beech Lane, Harborne
Lavina Grovner Daur 10 Scholar b. Do Do
John Grovner Son 6 Scholar b. Worcs., Quinton
Ada Matilda Grovner Daur 3 Scholar b. Worcs., Quinton
Jane Elisabeth Grovner Daur 1 b. Worcs., Quinton
Agnes Coley Visitor 8 Scholar Correction: b. Worcs., Halley Green

1841
At Quinton, Hamlet of Warley Wigorn
Samuel Coley 40 Nailor not born in county
Charlotte Coley 35 not born in county
Emma Coley 18 not born in county
William Coley 10 not born in county
Mary Coley 8 not born in county
Thomas Coley 6 not born in county
Samuel Coley 4 born in county
Mira Coley 14 Mo born in county
Levina Coley 1 Mo born in county
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