*Arc tbc* --Palethorpe - Oldbury

[grangers14]

Just grouping together

1901. 332, Hagley Rd, Edgbaston.
Charles H Palethorpe 44. Pork Butcher.
Amy Palethorpe 46.
Violet Palethorpe 21.
Henry Palethorpe 20. Pork Butcher.
John Palethorpe 17.
Jessie Palethorpe 16.
Dora Palethorpe 10.
Amy Palethorpe 6.
Alice Wood 28. Serv.
Ellen Scott 28. Serv.
Elizabeth Brown 24. Serv.
Down as Hotel Visitors, 13 pages of vistitors.

1891, Hotel Metropole, St Martin in The Fields, London.
Chas Henry Palchorpe 34. Born Birmingham, Pork Butcher.
Amy Palethorpe 36. born Worcester.

West Midlands Marriage 1879.
PALETHORPE Charles H, FISHER Amy, Dudley Register Office. Dudley Register Office. DRO/007/152.

CHARLES HENRY PALETHORP
Christening: 16 NOV 1856 St John, Deritend And Bordesley, Warwick,

Father: HENRY PALETHORP
Mother: CLARA


siblings

FANNY PALETHORPE
Christening: 16 APR 1855 St John, Deritend And Bordesley, Warwick, England

WALTER BARNET PALETHORPE
Christening: 27 NOV 1853 St John, Deritend And Bordesley, Warwick, England


1881 32 High Street Dudley, Worcester

Charles H. PALETHORPE 24 Birmingham, Warwick, Pork Butcher Royal Cambridge Sausage Maker Employing 22 Men
Amy PALETHORPE 26 Dudley, Worcester,
Violet PALETHORPE Daur 1 Dudley, Worcester,
Henry PALETHORPE Son 3 m Dudley, Worcester,
Sarah J. WALKER Cook W 58 Dudley, Worcester, Cook
Elizabeth T. KNOTT Housemaid 21 Bradley, Stafford, Housemaid
Ann M. TOMMINGS Visitor W 67 Tipton, Stafford, Nurse
Frances M. GRAINGER Nurse Maid 15 Tettenhall, Stafford, Nurse Maid
Haddon DRISCOLL Boarder U 21 Birmingham, Warwick, Pork Butchers Manager

1871 ??


1861
At 181 Gooch St., Birmingham
Henry Palethorpe Head 32 Pork Butcher employing 3 men and one maid b. Warcs., Warwick
Clara Palethorpe Wife 31 b. Worcs., Northfield
Walter B Palethorpe Son 7 Scholar b. Warcs., Birmingham
Charles M Palethorpe Son 4 Scholar b. Warcs., Birmingham ( could this be H looking at the census?)
Mary Palethorpe Daur 2 b. Warcs., Birmingham
Henry Palethorpe Son 1 b. Warcs., Birmingham
Charles Baylis Serv Mar 19 Pork Butcher b. Oxford., Orley (?)

[grangers14]

1871 Census
As Paleshorpe on Ancestry
?, Bickenhill, Warwickshire,
Henry Palethorpe, head, 43, Butcher, Warwick
Clara, wife, 41, Northfield, Worcs,
Walter, son, 17,
Charlie, son, 14,
Polly, daur, 12,
Henry, son, 11,
William, son, 9,
Edwin, son, 7,
Fanny Wrightson, niece, 12,
Mary Overton, serv, 20, gen serv, Rochford, Worcs,
All others born Birmingham

[peterd]

(Transcribed as 'Palethyle')

1851 At 70 Bell St., Birmingham

Charles Palethorpe Head Mar 25 Commercial Traveller b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
Mary A Palethorpe Wife Mar 23 b. Warwickshire, Knowle
Louisa Palethorpe Daur 9 Mo b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
Jane Cooper Mother Widow 55 b. Warwickshire, Knowle
Charles Ellingworth Lodger 22 Watch Maker

dianel wrote:

1861 At 94 Gt. Hampton St., Birmingham

Charles Palethorpe Head 35 Pork Butcher b. Warwickshire, Warwick
Mary A Palethorpe Wife 33 b. Warwickshire, Knowle
Charles Palethorpe Son 9 Scholar b. Warwickshire, Tysely
Henry Palethorpe Son 7 Scholar b. Warwickshire, Tysely
Thomas Palethorpe Son 2 b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
Alfred Smith Serv 19 Pork Butcher b. Warwickshire, Yardley
Joseph Hearn Serv 23 Pork Butcher b. Leicestershire, Leicester

1871. Kingsnorton.

Charles Palethorpe 45. Pork Butcher. born Warwick.
Mary A Palethorpe 43. born Knowle.
Louisa Palethorpe 20.
Charles Palethorpe 19.
Mary J Palethorpe 16.
Thomas Palethorpe 12.
Richard J Palethorpe 8.
Frank H Palethorpe 7.
O Sona W Palethorpe 5.

All others born Birm.

1881 83 Balsall Heath Rd Kings Norton, Worcester

Charles PALETHORPE 56 Warwick, Provision Merchant
Mary A. PALETHORPE 53 Knowle, Warwick, England
Frank H. PALETHORPE 17 Birmm Assistant Provision Merchant
Elizabeth COX Serv 22 Naseby, Northampton, England General Serv
Edwin PALETHORPE Nephew U 17 Birmm Lithographic Artist


1891; 175 Balsall Heath Rd Kings Norton, Worcester

Charles Palethorpe 66 Provision Merchant Birmingham
Mary Ann Palethorpe 63 Knowle, Warwick, England
Charles Palethorpe 39 salesman Yardley
Frank H Palethorpe 27 salesman Birmingham
Octavius W Palethorpe 25 founderies wharehouse man Birmingham
Jessica M Palethorpe 13 Leicester
Emma Cox 26 serv

1901 :, 93 grantham rd, Aston

John T Harvey 48 commercial traveller, Loughborough, Leicestershire,
Louisa Harvey 50 Birmingham
Charles T Harvey 25 chemist assistant Leicestershire
Jessica M Harvey 23 Boarding school Tea lady ?Leicestershire
Harry L Harvey 21 Clerk Leicestershire
Donald P Harvey 15 Apprentice ? N, Mount Sonel
Arthur R Harvey 6 Birmingham
Charles Palethorpe 76 father in law
Mary Ann Palethorpe 73 mother in law

[peterd]

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question for the nightshift

who is edwin father

1881 83 Balsall Heath Rd Kings Norton, Worcester

Charles PALETHORPE 56 Warwick, Provision Merchant
Mary A. PALETHORPE 53 Knowle, Warwick, England
Frank H. PALETHORPE 17 Birmm Assistant Provision Merchant
Elizabeth COX Serv 22 Naseby, Northampton, England General Serv
Edwin PALETHORPE Nephew U 17 Birmm Lithographic Artist



and where was edwin in 1871

and where was edwin father and charles in 1841 ?

[Maths girl]

A quick look at peterd's last post but one suggests some interesting questions to me:

1851 census :
Do we have the marriage of Charles Palethorpe and Mary Ann ? Is she a Cooper or was his mother married twice?


1861 Where is Louisa Palethorpe b 1850? reappears 1871!

1871 Where did Mary J b. 1855 appear from and Henry b 1854 go to or is this a massive mistranscribe? What happens to Richard J b.1863?
Who is O Sana W b. 1866? Is he Octavius W who appears in 1891? where is he in 1881?

[mallosa]

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question for the nightshift

who is edwin father

1881 83 Balsall Heath Rd Kings Norton, Worcester

Charles PALETHORPE 56 Warwick, Provision Merchant
Mary A. PALETHORPE 53 Knowle, Warwick, England
Frank H. PALETHORPE 17 Birmm Assistant Provision Merchant
Elizabeth COX Serv 22 Naseby, Northampton, England General Serv
Edwin PALETHORPE Nephew U 17 Birmm Lithographic Artist



and where was edwin in 1871

and where was edwin father and charles in 1841 ?

Is this Edwin....Says Palethorpe on image

1871: Hair Field Villa. Bickenhill, Warwickshire
Henry Paleshorpe 43 Head Butcher Warwick
Clara Paleshorpe 41 Wife Northfield, Worc
Walter Paleshorpe 17 Son Butcher
Charles Paleshorpe 14 Son
Polly Paleshorpe 12 Dau
Henry Paleshorpe 11 Son
William Paleshorpe 9 Son
Edwin Paleshorpe 7 Son
Fanny Wrighton 12 Niece
Mary Overton 20 Servant
(others born Birmingham)

[mallosa]

1861: 181 Gooch Street, Birmingham
Henry Palethorpe 32 Pork Butcher Emp 3 Men and 1 Maid
Clara Palethorpe 31
Walter B Palethorpe 7
Charles M Palethorpe 4
Mary Palethorpe 2
Henry Palethorpe 1
Charles Baylis 19 Serv Pork Butcher
John Dutton 20 Serv Pirk Butcher
Jane Shrimpton 19 Serv

[Maths girl]

1891; 175 Balsall Heath Rd Kings Norton, Worcester

Charles Palethorpe 66 Provision Merchant Birmingham
Mary Ann Palethorpe 63 Knowle, Warwick, England
Charles Palethorpe 39 salesman Yardley
Frank H Palethorpe 27 salesman Birmingham
Octavius W Palethorpe 25 founderies wharehouse man Birmingham
Jessica M Palethorpe 13 Leicester
Emma Cox 26 serv

1901 :, 93 grantham rd, Aston

John T Harvey 48 commercial traveller, Loughborough, Leicestershire,
Louisa Harvey 50 Birmingham
Charles T Harvey 25 chemist assistant Leicestershire
Jessica M Harvey 23 Boarding school Tea lady ?Leicestershire
Harry L Harvey 21 Clerk Leicestershire
Donald P Harvey 15 Apprentice ? N, Mount Sonel
Arthur R Harvey 6 Birmingham
Charles Palethorpe 76 father in law
Mary Ann Palethorpe 73 mother in law

This caught my eye was she a Palethorpe turned Harvey or what + it said Leicestershire - my part of the woods!!

1881 70 & 72 High Street, Leicester (I want to go and find out which building this is and whether it is still there!)
John Tyers Harvey 28 Grocer & Provision Merchant
Louisa Harvey 30
Charles T. Harvey 5 son
Jessica Mary Harvey 3 daughter
Harry Lawrence Harvey 1
Richard Palethorpe 18 Wife's brother, Ironmonger's apprentice
Charles Hy. Messenger 22 Grocer's assistant
Joseph Hellsby 20 Grocer's assistant
Harry Peberdy 19 Grocer's apprentice
Caroline Block 20 General Servant
Ada Woodward 16 Nurse Maid
Colowins (Octavius?)Winslow Palethorpe 14 Wife's brother, invalid

1891Balsall Heath Road, King's Norton
Charles Palethorpe 66 Provision Merchant
Mary Ann Palethorpe 63
Charles Palethorpe 39 Provisions Salesman
Frank H Palethorpe 27 Provisions Salesman
Octavius W Palethorpe 25 Brass Foundry Warehouse man
Jessica M Palethorpe 13 Grandchild Scholar
Emma Cox 26 General Servant

[Maths girl]

1891
Jno Tyers Harvey 38 Tea Traveller Leicester
(Louisa?) Harvey 40
Chas Tyero Harvey 15 Scholar
Harry Lawrence Harvey 11 Scholar
Miniel Harvey 9 Scholar
Carey Winslow Harvey 8 Scholar
Donald (includes Palethorpe on original as second name)Harvey 5 Scholar
Wm Arthur Rose 36 Visitor??? Traveller
Mary Jane Rose 36
Arthur Howard Rose 12
Edith Polter 18 Domestic Servant

[Maths girl]

1871 70&72 High Street Leicester
Joseph Harvey 43 Grocer & Employer 8 men
Lilla Harvey 22 Daugh Housekeeper
Joseph J Harvey 20 Apothecary Apprentice
John T Harvey 18 Grocer
William Harvey 17 Grocer
Eliza M Harvey 15 Scholar
Mary J Harvey 13 Scholar
Sarah S Harvey 10 Scholar
Lucy Harvey 4 Scholar
John Yates 23 Grocer's Assistant
James Eaton 25 Grocer's Apprentice
William Frith 19 Grocer's Apprentice
John Dean 15 Grocer's Apprentice
Retta Ann Brudett 20 General Servant

1881 70 & 72 High Street, Leicester
John Tyers Harvey 28 Grocer & Provision Merchant
Louisa Harvey 30
Charles T. Harvey 5 son
Jessica Mary Harvey 3 daughter
Harry Lawrence Harvey 1
Richard Palethorpe 18 Wife's brother, Ironmonger's apprentice
Charles Hy. Messenger 22 Grocer's assistant
Joseph Hellsby 20 Grocer's assistant
Harry Peberdy 19 Grocer's apprentice
Caroline Block 20 General Servant
Ada Woodward 16 Nurse Maid
Colowins (Octavius?)Winslow Palethorpe 14 Wife's brother, invalid

1891
Jno Tyers Harvey 38 Tea Traveller
Leicester (Louisa?) Harvey 40
Chas Tyero Harvey 15 Scholar
Harry Lawrence Harvey 11 Scholar
Miniel Harvey 9 Scholar
Carey Winslow Harvey 8 Scholar
Donald (includes Palethorpe on original as second name)Harvey 5 Scholar
Wm Arthur Rose 36 Visitor??? Traveller
Mary Jane Rose 36
Arthur Howard Rose 12
Edith Polter 18 Domestic Servant

1901 :, 93 grantham rd, Aston
John T Harvey 48 commercial traveller, Loughborough, Leicestershire,
Louisa Harvey 50 Birmingham
Charles T Harvey 25 chemist assistant Leicestershire
Jessica M Harvey 23 Boarding school Tea lady ?Leicestershire
Harry L Harvey 21 Clerk Leicestershire
Donald P Harvey 15 Apprentice ? N, Mount Sonel
Arthur R Harvey 6 Birmingham
Charles Palethorpe 76 father in law
Mary Ann Palethorpe 73 mother in law

[Maths girl]

1861 30 Market Place
Joseph Harvey 53 Grocer/Master employing 4 men
Selina Harvey 37
Ellen Harvey 14 Scholar
Joseph Jarrom Harvey 10 Scholar
John Tyers Harvey 8 Scholar
William Harvey 7 Scholar
Eliza Mary Harvey 5 Scholar
Mary Jane Harvey 3 Scholar
Sarah Selina Harvey 6 Mo
Mary Ann Norton 23 Domestic servant
Matilda Tomkins 15 Domestic Servant
John Boulton 22 Grocers assistant
William Fisher 19 Grocers apprentice
Thomas Orton 18 Grocers apprentice

1851 Buffin? Street Loughborough
Joseph Harvey 40 Grocer Master
Selina Harvey 30
Lilla Harvey 2
Joseph James Harvey 8 Mo
Robert Gregory 16 Grocers Assistant
John George Lime 20 Grocers Apprentice
Thomas Adderly 19 Grocers Apprentice
Ann Beckworth 22 House Servant
Eliza Oswin 13 House Servant

[Maths girl]

is this Joseph Harvey with his brother?

1841 Market Place Leicester
John Harvey 39 Grocer
Ann Harvey 35
Josh Harvey 34 ( This is Jos h on original)
John Harvey 15
Thos Harvey 7
Ann Harvey 4
Ellen Harvey 3
Josh Harvey 15

and his marriage
Year of Registration: 1846
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Leicester (1837-1974)
County: Leicestershire
Volume: 15

Matilda Cuthbert 1846 Leicester (1837-1974) Leicestershire
James Garner 1846 Leicester (1837-1974) Leicestershire
Joseph Harvey 1846 Leicester (1837-1974) Leicestershire
Henry Riley 1846 Leicester (1837-1974) Leicestershire
Emma Tatlow 1846 Leicester (1837-1974) Leicestershire
Sarah Tyers 1846 Leicester (1837-1974) Leicestershire
Selina Tyers 1846 Leicester (1837-1974) Leicestershire
Henry Whatton 1846 Leicester (1837-1974) Leicestershire

[Maths girl]

Sorry I got distracted and took this off thread - brought this back to the end so the night shift will see the question!

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question for the nightshift

who is edwin father

1881 83 Balsall Heath Rd Kings Norton, Worcester

Charles PALETHORPE 56 Warwick, Provision Merchant
Mary A. PALETHORPE 53 Knowle, Warwick, England
Frank H. PALETHORPE 17 Birmm Assistant Provision Merchant
Elizabeth COX Serv 22 Naseby, Northampton, England General Serv
Edwin PALETHORPE Nephew U 17 Birmm Lithographic Artist



and where was edwin in 1871

and where was edwin father and charles in 1841 ?

Is this Edwin....Says Palethorpe on image

1871: Hair Field Villa. Bickenhill, Warwickshire
Henry Paleshorpe 43 Head Butcher Warwick
Clara Paleshorpe 41 Wife Northfield, Worc
Walter Paleshorpe 17 Son Butcher
Charles Paleshorpe 14 Son
Polly Paleshorpe 12 Dau
Henry Paleshorpe 11 Son
William Paleshorpe 9 Son
Edwin Paleshorpe 7 Son
Fanny Wrighton 12 Niece
Mary Overton 20 Servant
(others born Birmingham)

[dianel]

bcc updated census only on at moment will add rest tommorrow

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =106433736



question for the nightshift

who is edwin father

1881 83 Balsall Heath Rd Kings Norton, Worcester

Charles PALETHORPE 56 Warwick, Provision Merchant
Mary A. PALETHORPE 53 Knowle, Warwick, England
Frank H. PALETHORPE 17 Birmm Assistant Provision Merchant
Elizabeth COX Serv 22 Naseby, Northampton, England General Serv
Edwin PALETHORPE Nephew U 17 Birmm Lithographic Artist



and where was edwin in 1871

and where was edwin father and charles in 1841 ?

Is this Edwin....Says Palethorpe on image

1871: Hair Field Villa. Bickenhill, Warwickshire
Henry Paleshorpe 43 Head Butcher Warwick
Clara Paleshorpe 41 Wife Northfield, Worc
Walter Paleshorpe 17 Son Butcher
Charles Paleshorpe 14 Son
Polly Paleshorpe 12 Dau
Henry Paleshorpe 11 Son
William Paleshorpe 9 Son
Edwin Paleshorpe 7 Son
Fanny Wrighton 12 Niece
Mary Overton 20 Servant
(others born Birmingham)

If Henry & Clara are Edwin's parents, then here is Henry in 1841:
At Friars St., St. Mary, Warwickshire
Thomas Palethorpe 55 Gardener
Elizabeth Palethorpe 45
John Palethorpe 20 Gardener's Apprentice
William Palethorpe 15 Gardener's Apprentice
Henry Palethorpe 12
Mary Palethorpe 8
Alfred Palethorpe 5
Edward Palethorpe 3

All born in county

(For those who have ancestry, there's a photo of Henry here:
http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/ViewPhoto. ... src=search)

Here are Thomas & Elizabeth in 1851:
At Friars St., St. Mary, Warwickshire
Thomas Palethorpe Head 58 Gardener b. Nottingham, Nemorete (??)
Elizabeth Palethorpe Wife 56 Gardener's Wife b. Warwicksh., Warwick
Mary Palethorpe Daur 17 Dressmaker b. Warwicksh., Warwick
Mary Ann Palethorpe Granddaur 5 Scholar b. Warwicksh., Warwick
George Wise Visitor 9 Scholar b. Warwicksh., Leamington
William Palethorpe Son 24 Gardener b. Warwicksh., Warwick

An Ancestry tree (Palethorpe/Weedon Family Tree) says that Elizabeth Weston was Thomas' second wife, his first wife was Hannah Latham.

This could be Charles (who married Mary Ann Cooper on 8 Sep 1849 at Leamington Priors Warwickshire at the age of 23) in 1841,
At Wellington St., Leamington Priors in the household of Abraham Collins (a Grocer) and his wife, Susannah, as a servant:
Charles Pailthorp 15 M. S. born in county

[dianel]

Here's an interesting titbit, is this one of ours? :
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Name: Thomas Palethorpe Jnr
Date of Trial: Epiphany 1832
Trial Year: 1832
Location of Trial: Warwickshire, England
Sentence: Acquittal

The charge was "Larceny"