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Re: Emmanuel Harper

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Yeah it is.. :wink:

Poss
1841
Parkrow, Cradley
Phoebe Cox 60 - Widow
Susannah Cox 20
Henry Cox 16
Wm Cox 9 Mo
Wm Bate 25 - Puddler
Eliza Bate 25
Wm Bate 2
Benjn Bate 4 Mo
all b in c

Poss this William Bate
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ate-Family

County Staffordshire
Place Dudley Staffs
Church St Thomas
RegisterNumber 152
MarriageDate 05 Mar 1837
GroomForename William
GroomSurname BATE
GroomAge
GroomParish Dudley
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Eliza
BrideSurname COX
BrideAge
BrideParish Dudley
BrideCondition Spinster
WitnessOneForename Thomas
WitnessOneSurname ALLEN
WitnessTwoForename W
WitnessTwoSurname BETE
Notes By Banns- Bride & Groom marked X. Witness 1 signed. Witness 2 signed W.BETE Senr
FileNumber 33992
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Re: Emmanuel Harper

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Name: Joseph Harper
Spouse's Name: Sarah Cox
Event Date: 11 Jun 1794
Event Place: Clent, Worcester, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M03517-2


11 Jun 1794
Joseph Harper, X, bach, of the Parish of Rowley Regis
Sarah Cox, X, spr, ots
by Banns
Wit - Joseph Bloomer & Robt Waldron (Waldron on heaps)
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Re: Emmanuel Harper

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peterd wrote:poss elizabeth harper above is this one on bcc marries benjamin cox ?

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =699587759


Added by Kdw

5 June 1825 St John Halesowen
Benjamin Cox otp bach Elizabeth Harper otp spin
by GS(Curate
Benj Cox X
Elizabeth Harper X
Wit: Benjamin Haper X Ann Harper X



there quite a few links here if we can find the info ?



1857 & 1863 Rev JHT notebook
Two Gates
Cox
Benjamin, nailer, deaf, no church
Elizabeth, church seldom
Lucy, 21, nailer, teaches school
Benjamin 15, Apr, Congreaves, no school

next door is this Matilda
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... per-Family
1857
Robins
Reuben, nailer, new connexion, was sacrament
Matilda, new connexion
her father Joseph Harper, 88, Apr, no church
Sarah, 20, Aug, nails, no church, careless has Caroline Elizabeth Harper, 0, Oct, unbaptised
Susanna, 18, Oct, was school, nails, church
Mary Ann, 11, Sep, nails, school, night school

and still next door in 1863
219
Robins
Reuben, horse nail, new connexion, was sacrament
Matilda, new connexion
Sarah Harper, 26, (symbol for porn) has Caroline Harper, 6, Oct (symbol for child out of wedlock)
Susanna, 24, nail, no church
Mary Ann, 17, Sep, church
Samuel Bate + 1,
Alice, born Mar 1864, unbaptised

James Hewlett, Corngreaves, no church
Sarah, no church, daug of 219 (Matilda is at 219)
Caroline Harper, 6, Oct, (symbol for child out of wedlock)
Joseph born Nov 1864
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Re: Emmanuel Harper

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Peter et al,

I know I started this :!: but looking again it may be that, alternatively, the Thomas Harper in question (bap 15/2/1795) is the one who married a Hannah Hyron in St Johns Halesowen on 23/3/1818; rather than Hannah Hill. This is consistent with being the son of Joseph Harper and Sarah Cox.



In turn, the Joseph who married Sarah Cox may be the Joseph who was bap in St John's Church on 15/4/1770 and may be the son of another Joseph who married Sarah Forest in St John's Halesowen on 5/10/1761. Joseph and Sarah Forest may have had at least a further 4 children, John (7/3/1762), Elizabeth 29/4/1764), James (5/4/1767) and Sarah (22/8/1773); all baptised in St Johns Church.

What do you think :?:

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Re: Emmanuel Harper

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nailer2011 wrote:Peter et al,

I know I started this :!: but looking again it may be that, alternatively, the Thomas Harper in question (bap 15/2/1795) is the one who married a Hannah Hyron in St Johns Halesowen on 23/3/1818; rather than Hannah Hill. This is consistent with being the son of Joseph Harper and Sarah Cox.



In turn, the Joseph who married Sarah Cox may be the Joseph who was bap in St John's Church on 15/4/1770 and may be the son of another Joseph who married Sarah Forest in St John's Halesowen on 5/10/1761. Joseph and Sarah Forest may have had at least a further 4 children, John (7/3/1762), Elizabeth 29/4/1764), James (5/4/1767) and Sarah (22/8/1773); all baptised in St Johns Church.

What do you think :?:

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11 Jun 1794
Joseph Harper, X, bach, of the Parish of Rowley Regis
Sarah Cox, X, spr, ots
by Banns
Wit - Joseph Bloomer & Robt Waldron (Waldron on heaps)


on marriage says of rowley regis married at clent in the vicars note book for clent ? its consitant for people of rowley regis to marry at clent as it came under the same vicar for both churchs and marriage for rowley regis wernt performed at st giles for a periord

i think im right with the statment above some tell me if i got it wrong ?
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Re: Emmanuel Harper

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any one got this marriage info


Thomas Harper (bap 15/2/1795)
Hannah Hyron
St Johns Halesowen on 23/3/1818


and this one

Joseph harper
Sarah Forest
St John's Halesowen on 5/10/1761
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Re: Emmanuel Harper

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peterd wrote:any one got this marriage info


Thomas Harper (bap 15/2/1795)
Hannah Hyron
St Johns Halesowen on 23/3/1818


and this one

Joseph harper
Sarah Forest
St John's Halesowen on 5/10/1761


23 Mar 1818
Thomas Harper, otp, bach
Hannah Hyron, X, otp, spin
by JT (Asst. Min)
Wit - Benjamin Taylor & ElizabethTaylor, both signed X

5 Oct 1761
Joseph Harper, X, otp, bach
Sarah Forest, X, otp, spin
by PW (Vicar)
Wit - William Tay and Joseph Chandler (Chandler on heaps)

1851
Two Gates, Cradley
Reuben Robins 35 - Horsenail maker - b Lye
Matilda Robins 33 - Nailer
Sarah Harper 13 - Daug in law - Nailer
Susanna Robins 11 - Nailer
Mary A Robins 4
Josh Harper 79 - Lodger - Widow - Ag Lab
others b Cradley
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Re: Emmanuel Harper -to be added

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Northern Lass wrote:FS did you get link sent to you so you can add to Bcc again if you wish?


Yes just.. cool :grin:
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Re: Emmanuel Harper -to be added

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FarSide wrote:
Northern Lass wrote:FS did you get link sent to you so you can add to Bcc again if you wish?


Yes just.. cool :grin:
Bit rusty will have a go tomorrow


Ok thanks put date and yourname in notes when addin FS
eg
Added by Farside 31-1-14

then we know who has added and what.

seems lots of good stuff in this thread nice one guys
and thanks nailer for heads up will look at that asap :wink:
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Re: Emmanuel Harper

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Thomas & Hannah in Cradley
Thomas & Hannad in Rowley..

peterd wrote:POSS KIDS for thomas and hannah


Ann Harper Ann, d of Thomas & Hannah Harper, Cradley, Nailer

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 29 August 1815 CRADLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
father: Thomas Harper
mother: Hannah



Sarah Harper Sarah, d of Thomas & Hannah Harper, Cradley, Nailer

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 16 February 1818 CRADLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
father: Thomas Harper
mother: Hannah


Mina Harper Mina d of Thomas & Hannah Harper, Cradley, Nailer

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 4 January 1824 CRADLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
father: Thomas Harper
mother: Hannah



Benjamin HarperBenjamin, s of Thomas & Hannah Harper, Cradley, Nailer
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 30 October 1825 CRADLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
father: Thomas Harper
mother: Hannah



Day same 5 Mar 1826 Benjamin, s of Thomas & Hannah Harper, Rowley Regis, Carpenter



Thomas Taylor HarperThomas Taylor, s of Thomas & Hannah Harper, Rowley Regis, Carpenter

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 5 March 1826 CRADLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
father: Thomas Harper
mother: Hannah



John Saml. HarperJohn Sam Bate, s of Thomas & Hannah Harper, Rowley Regis, Carpenter
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 5 March 1826 CRADLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
father: Thomas Harper
mother: Hannah



Charles HarperCharles, s of Thomas & Hannah Harper, Rowley Regis, Carpenter

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 26 December 1830 CRADLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
father: Thomas Harper
mother: Hannah


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Re: Emmanuel Harper

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nailer2011 wrote:Peter et al,

I know I started this :!: but looking again it may be that, alternatively, the Thomas Harper in question (bap 15/2/1795) is the one who married a Hannah Hyron in St Johns Halesowen on 23/3/1818; rather than Hannah Hill. This is consistent with being the son of Joseph Harper and Sarah Cox.



In turn, the Joseph who married Sarah Cox may be the Joseph who was bap in St John's Church on 15/4/1770 and may be the son of another Joseph who married Sarah Forest in St John's Halesowen on 5/10/1761. Joseph and Sarah Forest may have had at least a further 4 children, John (7/3/1762), Elizabeth 29/4/1764), James (5/4/1767) and Sarah (22/8/1773); all baptised in St Johns Church.

What do you think :?:

H


http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =315489908

This Thomas born abt 1787 Shropshire

1841
Old hills, Rowley
Thomas Harpen 50 - Wheelwright - not b in c
Ann Harpen 40
Benjamin Harpen 15 - Forgeman
John Harpen 15 - Forgeman
Solina Harpen 11 (??dina, female)
Charles Harpen 10 - Forgeman
David Harpen 1
others b in c

1851
Club building, Rowley
Thomas Harper 64 - Wheelwright - b Kimberley, Shropshire
Ann Harper 52 - b Clent
Benjamin Harper 29 - Forge labourer - b Cradley
John Harper 25 - Puddler of iron - b Cradley
Charles Harper 20 - Puddler of iron - b Rowley
David Harper 11 - b Rowley

1861
Cradley Heath, Rowley
Thomas Harper 74 - Wheelwright - b Kimberton, Shropshire - Deaf
Ann Harper 62 - b Cradley
David Harper 21 - Forgeman - b Rowley

Poss
Deaths Jun 1868
HARPER Thomas 80 Dudley 6c 44

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Tried to add some FS but lost the plot :shock:
not connected up anything as couldn't prove it............and lost the plot :lol:
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FarSide wrote:
Name: Joseph Harper
Spouse's Name: Sarah Cox
Event Date: 11 Jun 1794
Event Place: Clent, Worcester, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M03517-2


11 Jun 1794
Joseph Harper, X, bach, of the Parish of Rowley Regis
Sarah Cox, X, spr, ots
by Banns
Wit - Joseph Bloomer & Robt Waldron (Waldron on heaps)




1851: Jail Yard Top of Furlong Lane Cradley
Thomas Harper HD W 56 Nail Maker
Elizabeth D 21 Nail Maker
David Son 13 Chain Maker
Edward Bloomer Son In Law M 27 Nail Maker
Jemima D M 27
Farley GS 6
Sarah GD 4
Caleb GS 2
Edward GS 4 Months Belper Derby
Rhoda Harper NC U 24 Nail Maker
all others born Cradley



is the edward bloomer related to joseph bloomer (gran parent ?) witness at joseph harper and sarah cox weding can we find a bap for william, edwards father

william 1841 Overend Cradley next door to Richard Raybould
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there this one


William Bloomer
Christening Date:12 Jun 1808 HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,

Father's Name:mJoseph Bloomer
Mother's Name:mNancy


Indexing Project (Batch) Number:C01376-2
System Origin:England-ODM
GS Film number:886632, 886633, 886634

bcc
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also one with benjamin and phoebe as parents 1807
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2 March 1806 Mary Ann, do Joseph & Sarah Harper


This Mary Ann
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... per-Family

is sister to Thomas
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... per-Family

Rhoda is the key on the 51 she is niece of Thomas, (and not Benjamin as I first thought) however she appears twice, first as the niece and with her family
I could only find one bapt for a Rhoda Harper around this time is at Halesowen -:
3 June 1827 Rhoda, do Benjamin and Mary Harper, Cradley, Nailer
In the Vicars notebook Furlong Lane and Maple Gap are next to each other.. poss one street? leads into the other


1851: Jail Yard Top of Furlong Lane Cradley
Thomas Harper HD W 56 Nail Maker
Elizabeth D 21 Nail Maker
David Son 13 Chain Maker
Edward Bloomer Son In Law M 27 Nail Maker
Jemima D M 27
Farley GS 6
Sarah GD 4
Caleb GS 2
Edward GS 4 Months Belper Derby
Rhoda Harper NC U 24 Nail Maker
all others born Cradley


1841 Colley Gate Halesowen
Benjamin Harper 35 Nailor
Mary Ann Harper 35
Rhoda Harper 14
Matilda Harper 8
Lucinda Harper 6
Rebecca Harper 4
Thomas Harper 10
All Born in County

1851 Maple Gap Lane Cradley
Benjamin Harper Head 46 Nailor Born Cradley
Mary Ann Harper Wife 45 Domestic Servant Born Cradley
Rhoda Harper Daur 23 Nailer Born Cradley
Matilda Harper Daur 18 Nailer Born Cradley
Lucinda Harper Daur 16 Nailer Born Cradley
Rebekah Harper Daur 14 Hoyse Servant Born Crdaley
Thomas Harper Son 10 Born Cradley
Moses Harper Son 7 Born Cradley
Eli Harper Son 3 Born Cradley


I had a look at the marriage of Mary Ann Harper to Benjamin Harper.. (I know! :lol: )
Halesowen
8 Oct 1826
Benjamin Harper, X, otp, bach
Mary Ann Harper, X, otp, spin
by GS (Curate)
Wit - Benjamin Cox & Elizabeth Cox, both signed X

Witness's :roll:

This Benjamin Harper I believe is the son of James Harper & Leah Grigg - that's for another topic :grin:
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