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26 Dec 1876 St Michael Brierley Hill
Thomas ARNOLD 32 B Glass Maker Moor St Father John Arnold Miner
Susan RALPH 44 W Moor St Father Samuel Woodhall Puddler
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Joseph Worton X / Esther Worton X

Thanks RF I will add that

Checked FreeBMd for Ralph including phonetic and not found death of Henry Ralph in any location between 1871 when Susan Ralph is shown as still married and 1876 marriage when she is shown as a widow
I think my theory of Henry and Susan marrying others bigamously is correct and the marriage of Henry to Emma Griffiths in Chorlton is probably correct
I have added all but details of Henry and Emma but could connect with a note

Only other possible route to research is trying to trace Emma Griffiths and niece of both i.e. Eliza Willetts or Willets
I have found a Willetts family not on bcc from oldswinford ( right location for Emma who married Henry Ralph) with an Emma Willetts of right age

Jimmy wrote:Poss later marriage, right area, ???

Marriages Mar 1876.
Griffiths Emma. Chorlton. 8c. 978.
MILLWARD Robert. Chorlton. 8c. 978.
RALPH Henry. Chorlton. 8c. 978.
Townsend Elizabeth. Chorlton. 8c. 978.

Looks good
1876
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
RALPH Henry GRIFFITHS Emma Openshaw, St. Barnabas Manchester 107/1/262


on Roots chat you might be able to ask someone to look this up for you that live in area
they have been helpful before to me for look ups in Lancashire

mumbles wrote:Nl are you saying Henry married Emma bigamously as still married to Susan Hall ( nee Woodall) and that is why no marriage to Emma to be found ?

I think it certainly looks like that

you could add what we have as a possible in notes
the census with him on and that possible marriage

very very interesting.....

mumbles wrote:Checked FreeBMd for Ralph including phonetic and not found death of Henry Ralph in any location between 1871 when Susan Ralph is shown as still married and 1876 marriage when she is shown as a widow
I think my theory of Henry and Susan marrying others bigamously is correct and the marriage of Henry to Emma Griffiths in Chorlton is probably correct
I have added all but details of Henry and Emma but could connect with a note

Only other possible route to research is trying to trace Emma Griffiths and niece of both i.e. Eliza Willetts or Willets
I have found a Willetts family not on bcc from oldswinford ( right location for Emma who married Henry Ralph) with an Emma Willetts of right age

I would add in Emma Griffiths and marriage in template and in notes
looks good to me mumbles
maybe put a note in notes as to what we think and why

Will do Nl
I will post other thread about Willetts family later but no time to research perhaps Willetts researchers will want to follow up

I can't see a marriage for an Emma Willetts to a Griffiths,

1911. 56 Blake St Barrow In Furness.
Alfred John Baker 51.
Annie Elizabeth Baker 51.
George William Baker 26.
Mary Caroline Baker 18.
Henry Ralph 74. Uncle. Widow. no occupation. Sipton South, Staffordshire. ( Tipton)

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1907.
WILLETTS. Eliza. BAKER Richard E. Barlow Moor, Emmanuel. Manchester. 23/1/404.

Deaths Mar 1911.
Ralph Emma. 74. Chorlton. 8c. 504.

Thanks Jimmy
I have added that Baker connection

All added and connected with applicable note

mumbles wrote:All added and connected with applicable note

nice one Mumbles you do find some interesting puzzles