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1861 census has,
Pear Street, Blue Bell,
Joseph Willetts, head, 70, Publican
Elizabeth, wife, 67,
Mary, daur in law, 55
Prudence, grand daur, 17, Dressmaker

I think the Mary Daughter in Law aged 55 must be a mistake. Joseph and Elizabeth Married 1834, this Mary was born 1805, more like a Sister In Law?

Prudance as Suki says seems to have grown up in Joseph and Elizabeth's household, if her mother died when she was 8 months old, this would make sense. As Di said, if Elisha Willetts 1814 Married Martha Round, he didn't Marry Susannah Tibbetts, strange this has never been picked up before, how many times has this household been looked at? Linell.

We know there were two Elisha Willetts born about the same time, one of them was the illigitimate son of a Sarah Willetts, who may have also been from Peartree Street and Elisha son of Joseph and Elizabeth. I did check the Cradley Burials, no Elisha Buried there before 1837. So ok one Married Susannah Tibbetts and the other we think Married Martha Round. The only thing that I can think of is Sarah mother of Elisha was connected to Joseph Willetts, so Joseph and Elizabeth had two Elisha's in the family <LOL> Perhaps Sarah died young and Joseph and Elizabeth took him on too Over to you Di..............

Jimmy wrote:Both Extracted,

ELISHA WILLETS.
MARTHA ROUND.
Marriage, 08 MAR 1835, Kingswinford, Stafford,


ELISHA WILLETTS.
MARY BEDDOWES OR DOWNES.
Marriage, 24 FEB 1845, Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,

1841 census has Martha with Elisha and a possible death for her in 1844 I think it was?

grangers14 wrote:1851 census has,
Peartree Street,
Elisha, 36, Chain maker
Mary, wife, 45
Benjamin, son, 13,
James, son, 9

Could Elisha have remarried, possible Marys in 1845, Mary Beddowes, Mary Wagstaff

1861 census has,
Pear Street, Blue Bell,
Joseph Willetts, head, 70, Publican
Elizabeth, wife, 67,
Mary, daur in law, 55
Prudence, grand daur, 17, Dressmaker

same page,
Benjamin Willetts, head, 23, chainmaker
Mary ann, wife, 25(?)
Elisha, son, 4m

I really think if we could get a look up on the marriage for Elisha with Martha Round and then with Mary Beddowes it will make it more understandable .
Jo

Wonder if there are two Joseph and Elizabeths.!!!
I thought Joseph and Mary married 1813 ---- on tribal

In 1841 both Elisha's are living in same area:
1841
Pare Tree Lane, Rowley Regis
Elisha Willetts 25 Nail Maker (born 1816)
Hannah Willetts 25 (This is Susannah Tibbetts - Know this because of the children - see below)
Sammuel Willetts 6
John Willetts 3

On next page: (Note: Distinction between 'Pare' Tree Street and 'Pare' Tree Lane. Think one runs into the other?)
Pare Tree Street, Rowley Regis
Elisha Willitts 25 Nailer
Martha Willitts 25
Benjamen 5
Joseph 2
James 6 mo

Joseph & Elizabeth are some distance way in Lawrence Lane
At Larance Lane, Rowley Regis:
Joseph Willitts 45 Nail Maker
Elizabeth Willitts 45
Mary Willitts 15
Elizabeth Willitts 10
Adam Willitts 8
All born in county
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In 1851, Elisha & Susannah are in the midst of Joseph & Elizabeth and their other children:

1851
In Peartree Lane, Rowley Regis
Entry 15
Joseph Willetts Head 59
Elizabeth Willetts Wife 58
Adam Willetts Son 21
Joseph Parsons Grandson 14
Prudence Willetts Granddaur 6

Entry 16
Frederick Willetts Head 29 Chain Maker b. Worcs., Parish of Dudley (son of William Willetts & Hannah Bissell)
Betsy Willetts Wife 24 Nail Maker b. Parish of Rowley (Daughter of Joseph Willetts and Elizabeth Priest )
Mary Willetts Daur 3 Scholar b. Parish of Rowley
Caroline Willetts Daur 4 mths b. Parish of Rowley
Elen Willetts Daur 2 yrs b. Parish of Rowley

Entry 17
Elisha Willetts 35 Nail Maker b. Parish of Rowley (I thought this was son of the above Joseph Willetts and Elizabeth Priest)
Sushannah Willetts 35 Nail Maker b. Parish of Rowley
Samuel Willetts 16 Nail Maker b. Parish of Rowley
John Willetts 12 Nail Maker b. Parish of Rowley
Moses Willetts 9 Nail Maker b. Parish of Rowley
Emmanuel Willetts 2
Elijah Willetts 5 mths
Gideon Lowe Lodger U 22 Chain Maker b. Parish of Rowley

Entry 18
Daniel Willetts Head 30 Nail Maker b. Parish of Rowley (son of the above Joseph Willetts and Elizabeth Priest)
Sarah Willetts Wife 30 Nail Maker b. Chester
George Willetts Son 8 Scholar
Hannah Ruinnah Willetts Daur 6 Scholar b. Parish of Rowley
Mary Ann Willetts Daur 3 Scholar b. Parish of Rowley

Elisha & Mary are not far away:

1851
In Peartree St., Rowley Regis
Entry 25
Elisha Willetts Head 36 (born 1815) Chain Maker b. Parish of Rowley
Mary Willetts Wife 45 Chain Maker b. Parish of Rowley
Benjamin Willetts Son 13 Chain Maker b. Parish of Rowley
James Willetts Son 9 Scholar b. Parish of Rowley

Could this have been Mary's first marriage, before Elisha.

MARY ANN DOWNES.
WILLIAM BEDOES.
Marriage, 14 AUG 1837, Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,

ELISHA WILLETTS.
MARY BEDDOWES OR DOWNES.
Marriage, 24 FEB 1845, Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,

In 1861 Joseph & Elizabeth are running the "Blue Ball Inn":
Entry 258 at the Blue Ball Inn
Joseph Willetts Head 70 Publican & Grocer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Willetts Wife 67 Publican & Grocer's wife b. Worcs., Dudley Park
Mary Willetts Daur in Law 55 Assistant b. Staffs., Shenstone
Prudence Willetts Gran Daur 17 Dressmaker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

Elisha & Susannah are not far away, and still next to Betsy, daughter of Joseph & Elizabeth:
1861 Peartree Street, Rowley Regis
Entry 191
Frederick Willetts Head 39 Chain Maker b. Worcs., Dudley
Betsy Willetts Wife 34 Chain Maker's Wife b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
May Willetts Daur 13 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Ellen Willetts Daur 12 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Caroline Willetts Daur 10 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Ann M Willetts Daur Daur 8 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Hannah Willetts 6 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

Entry 193
Elisha Willitts Head 44 Nail Maker b. Worcs., Cradley
Susannah Willitts Wife 46 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
John Willitts Son 22 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Moses Willitts Son 19 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Emanuel Willitts Son 12 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Elijah Willitts Son 10 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

linell wrote:1861 census has,
Pear Street, Blue Bell,
Joseph Willetts, head, 70, Publican
Elizabeth, wife, 67,
Mary, daur in law, 55
Prudence, grand daur, 17, Dressmaker.

I notice that Joseph and Elizabeth had a son Joseph, could the daughter in law in 1861 married Joseph Junior, or would the age gap be to much.??

(extracted)
JOSEPH WILLETTS.
MARY WILLETTS.
Marriage, 20 JUL 1846, Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,

Elisha and Martha were in Lawrence Lane in 1836 daughter baptised St giles 1/1/36 so that puts them near to Joseph and Elizabeth. elizabeth died 13/4/1836 9 months

Rite Archive Annie returns... ...crowd go wild.

Now I am coming in sideways at this as not been following it but somat aint rite!

I have looked up a few things on this at the archives and need you Willetts clan to sort it on Connections if ya don't mind.

Ok without further ado.
The marriage in 1845 is the one to this Elisha here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections
Will add marriage to notes in a min on connections.
Now the address is good Peartree lane Street
his age is good
father is Joseph
he is a Widower...so Susannah if that is who he was prev married to must die by feb 1845 and so surely cannot be that one who dies 3 nov 1872 ...will come to that in a bit.
Daniel Willetts is witness on marriage so that must be his bro
So has anyone got this Elisha and Mary on the 1851 or this Elisha and Susannah on 1871
if you have covered this already soz
Now 2 deaths in 1844 and 1845 for Susannah Willetts
but what is odd is that on the burial the info at St Lukes is as follows
6 Nov 1872 Peartree St age 58 Susannah Willetts
So are Peartree lane St and Peartree St one and the same?
does anyone know?
they both are Rowley Regis
Then I looked up the 1834 marriage
not much info
25 Dec 1834 St Thomas Dudley
Elisha Willetts bach otp
Susannah Tibbetts spinster otp
Witness Joseph Tibbetts and John Allen (think he is of the church)

so are there 2 Elishas one married to a Susannah
in which case who was our Elisha son of Joseph who marrid Mary Beddows , married to prev ....
and more importantly
can we sort out on Connections whose kids are whose

Welcome back to cyber world NL Gosh what a mess, we have two Elisha's, two Susannah's and I think two Mary's Help. As far as I am aware there is only one Peartree Street/Lane in Old Hill. Used to walk up there to work, many moons ago. Will have a look at this tomorrow NL, am brain dead tonight. Come on the night shift Good luck from Linell.

Hi y'all

Peartree Lane and Street joined each other. I do recall working taht out from census descriptions and an old map. I think it was arbitrary what one patch of the road was called.

As far as I can see we all agree on this:

Martha Round bpt 16/3/1815 St Giles Benjamin and Prudence Round, New Ross, nailer

Elisha Willetts m Martha Round 8/3/1835 Kingswinford

1841 census
Pear Tree Street
Elisha Willets 25 nail maker
Martha ditto 25
Benjamin 5
Joseph 2
James 6m


Elizabeth Willetts bpt 1/1/1836 St Giles Elisha and Martha Willetts, Lawrences Lane, lab
Benjamin Willetts bpt St Giles 18/6/1837 St Giles Elisha and Martha Willetts, Peartree Lane, nailer
Joseph Willets bpt 28/4/1838 St Giles Elisha and Martha Willetts,m Peartree Lane, nailer
James Willetts bpt 14/2/1841 St Giles Elisha and Martha Willetts, Pear Tree Lane, nailer

Prudence Willetts bpt 18/2/1844 St Giles Elisha and Martha Willetts, Pear Tree Lane, victuallar

Martha Willetts died aged 29 1/10/1844 Pear Tree Street

1851 census
Peartree Street
Elisha 36 chain maker
Mary 45
Benjamin 13
James 9

1861
Pear Street
Joseph Willetts 70 Publican
Elizabeth wife 67
Mary dau in law 55
Prudence grand dau 17

Note that in 1841:
Lawrence Lane
Joseph Willetts 45 nail maker
Elizabeth Willetts 45
Mary ditto 15
Elizabeth ditto 10
Adam ditto 8
(this ties nicely with Elisha and Martha first kid being baptised from Lawrence Lane in 1836

As I see it, Elisha son of Joseph and Elizabeth married Martha Round and had a bunch of children ending with Prudence. Martha died in 1844 and Elisha married Mary (Downes) Beddoes but Prudence was brought up by her grandparents perhaps to begin with.
The 1861 entry has Mary and Prudence living with Joseph and Elizabeth. Mary seems to be widowed with a death Elisha Willets 1853.

It looks as though the tree for Elisha and Susannah Willetts should be disconnected from Joseph and Elizabeth.
That leaves the question:

Who were the parents of Elisha Willetts who married Susannah Tibbetts?
No help from the marriage.

Northernlass found:
25 Dec 1834 St Thomas Dudley
Elisha Willetts bach otp
Susannah Tibbetts spinster otp
Witness Joseph Tibbetts and John Allen (think he is of the church)

Isn't the only contender the one baptised 1814 to Sarah Willetts? There are some earlier though.

ATTENTION

If no one comes up with an argument otherwise then Elisha Willetts who married Susannah will be going parentless as of tomorrow. I will disconnect him and leave his paernts as unknown but with a note about possible Sarah. Then I will put Joseph and Elizabeth as the parents of the other Elisha and put in the marriage and death details as in this post.

How doe sthat sound? You OK with that Di?
I don't see how we can tell who Joseph who married Elizabeth is. There look to be azillion Josephs of the right age in the parish records round and about.

we do know Joseph and Elizabeth lived in Lawrence Lane thats a start and Joseph may have had a sister Sarah Willetts if the two Elishas are cousins.

Hi all, the two Elisha's one 1814 baptised to Sarah and one 1815 baptised to Joseph and Elizabeth (think I have the dates right, they are on here on page 1) I believe that Sarah Willetts must be connected to Joseph and Elizabeth, in effect they are one family and somehow all connected. Am lost with Susannah Willetts, isn't she still alive and with Elisha in 1871 Linell.

OK with me to disconnect Elisha-who-married-Susannah from Joseph & Elizabeth, Gardener.

For interest, Prudence seems to have married John H Stafford and they have taken over The Blue Ball in 1871:
1871
Blue Ball Inn, Peartree Street, Rowley Regis
Entry 61
John H Stafford Head 29 Licensed Victualler b. Worcestershire
Prudence Stafford Wife 27 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
James H Stafford Son 8 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
John J Stafford Son 7 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Mary Ann Taylor Servant 24 Servant Domestic b. Worcestershire

Mary Willetts is still around:
Peartree Lane
Entry 128
Mary Willetts Head W 63 Grocer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

And Joseph & Elizabeth are also in Pear Tree Lane:
Entry 131
Joseph Willetts Head 80 Retired Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Willetts Wife 78 b. Worcs, Dudley

Frederick and Betsy (daughter of Joseph & Elizabeth) are at:
Pear Tree Lane
Entry 136
Frederick Willetts Head 49 Chain Maker b. Worcs, Dudley
Betsy Willetts Wife 43 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Mary Willetts Daur 23 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Ann M Willetts Daur 18 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Hannah Willetts Daur 16 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
William Willetts Son 9 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Frederick Willetts Son 5 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Joseph Willetts Son 1 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

With Moses (son of Elisha & Susannah) next door:
Entry 137
Moses Willetts Head 29 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Mary Ann Willetts Wife 29 Nail Maker b. Worcs., Halesowen
Harry Willetts Son 6 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Sarah A Willetts Daur 7 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Hannah E Willetts Daur 4 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Elijah Willetts Son 1 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

And next door to him is Susannah - now a widow:
Entry 138
Susannah Willetts Head W 56 b. Rowley Regis
Elijah Willetts Lodger (Son) 20 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

Next door again is John (son of Elisha & Susannah), married to Emma ROWE:
Entry 139
John Willetts Head 32 Labourer in Iron Works b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Emma Willetts Wife 29 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Rebekah Willetts Daur 8 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Susanah Willetts Daur 6 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
John Willetts Son 4 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Daniel Willetts Son 1 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Ruth Willetts Mother (?) 54 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis