*TBC Archive in 24 hrs*My elusive family on census night

[Vikinghunter]

It's just occured to me that two of Axel's sons in London were of enlistment age in 1914 at the outbreak of WW1. According to the records I already have, Albert would have been 21 years of age whilst Hugh would have been 17 years of age.

Apart from the (1901 and 1911) census records I can find no trace of them two at all.

Is there anywhere where I can look online to see if they were actually enlisted and, possibly, killed in action?

Many thanks in advance.

David

[FarSide]

Hi VH
Very interesting info on Karl Blind..
Just having a look at the IGI and Sorensen/son features quite alot and wondered if 'Hans Scavenius Moller ' could be Hans Sorenson Moller

[Vikinghunter]

Could be?

Is there any indication of this fellah's children? (Axel Hother Moller and Christian Moller plus any other children I'm not aware of?)

Cheers

David

[peterd]

Peterd

I hardly have any info on Christian and Axel's father. The only info I have so far is his name on Axel's UK marriage certificate (14th April 1889) where he's listed as Hans Scarrinious Moller. The middle name is hard to read and some have suggested it could be "Scavenius" which is, apparently a noble name (Vikinghunter smirks...) Family folklore indicates he was a member of the Danish Royal Household staff and often went out riding with the Danish king at the time. Not sure how much of that is true.

Are'nt these Vikings elusive?!!

Cheers

David

Randers is referred to as Crown Jutland (Kronjylland) and the people as Crown Jutlanders (Kronjyde), probably due to the big Crown estates, i.e. the estates owned by the Crown, the King.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randers


so might be some truth in your romours wonder if theres any ledgers in exsistence of estate workers might be worth looking at try this


http://www.geocities.com/dagtho/denmark.html


this is the guy who is king

CHRISTIAN IX, King of Denmark, born a prince of the Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg line, a junior branch of the family which had ruled Denmark for centuries [see Holstein], was chosen to be king after the extinction of the most senior line, and he assumed the throne upon the death of King Frederik VII in 1863; b.Gottorp 8 Apr 1818, d.Amalienborg, Copenhagen 29 Jan 1906); m.Copenhagen 26 May 1842 Luise Pss of Hesse-Kassel (Kassel 7 Sep 1817-Bernstorff 29 Sep 1898)

[Vikinghunter]

Many thanks Peterd and FarSide.

You're "gene-ises"!!

Cheers

David

[mallosa]

Vikinghunter has sent in some photo's ..........see here

[FarSide]

Would Christian and Axel have applied for UK citizenship maybe this would include their parents names.

Also from our links section, not sure how helpful this would be
www.immigrantships.net

[Vikinghunter]

FarSide:

I had exactly the same idea a few weeks ago and actually trotted over to the interesting Archives place in Kew and enquired there in person. No trace. Apparently it was quite common in those days for foreigners to happily settle in the UK, marry and raise families without bothering to become naturalized. I think that was only essential if you wanted important jobs, etc although I'm amazed Axel started up his own business without going down this route.

I'm also not having any luck with tracing "dis-soloved companies." On the back of Axel's photo someone (possibly Axel himself as the writing is the same as the signature on his marriage certificate) wrote "with the compliments of Messrs A. Moller & Co". Dunno if that was the actual name of his (corkmaking) business. Perhaps then there was no such required procedure of setting up a new company and getting it "registered"?

Maybe in those days rules were'nt so stringent?

Thanks for the thought anyway.

Cheers

David

[mallosa]

Could this be of any use David?

http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/infoAn ... ance.shtml

Also this is what it says on the home page

http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/about/ ... tory.shtml

[FarSide]

Have you tried the census..

Copied from https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Denmark:_Census

The most recent Danish census at the Family History Library is for 1911. Census records less than sixty-five years old are confidential and may not be searched by individuals. The most recent census which has been released in the 1916 census. It can be found online at http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/ The government will make limited searches in the 1920 and 1925 censuses.

You will find the following types of information in census records:

1787, 1801, 1834, and 1840. These censuses give the names of all members of the household, their ages, sexes, occupations, relationships to the head of the household, and marital statuses.

1845 and later. These censuses list the names, ages, occupations, relationships to the head of the household, religious affiliations, and birthplaces (county and parish) of all members of the household.

[FarSide]

It's just occured to me that two of Axel's sons in London were of enlistment age in 1914 at the outbreak of WW1. According to the records I already have, Albert would have been 21 years of age whilst Hugh would have been 17 years of age.

Poss marriage
Marriages Sep 1926
Möller Hugh W Moore Stepney 1c 511
Moore Amy K Moller Stepney 1c 511

[FarSide]

Off on one of me tangents.. possibly Axel and Christian's mother name..

Thora Moller Daur 11 b. London, Bermondsey

The meaning of the name Thora is Thunder
The origin of the name Thora is Scandinavian

tho I don't see anything on the IGI.. maybe on one of the Danish census??

[Vikinghunter]

FarSide:

Thanks for your "thunderous" observations!

I have now sent off for that 1926 marriage certificate and now await its arrival (I'll keep you posted).

Another mystery folks.....!

According to the LDS, the 1881 UK census of all "my" Mollers then were living at 48 Compton Buildings in London: Christian (great-grandfather) 26, Helen 29, Nanna 3, Clara 1 and brother Axel 24.

However, I've had an email from Islington museum (now moved to another part of Islington!) which states "the address given for reference as COMPTON BUILDINGS was used between 1872-1876, it then became Compton Street which was renamed Bingham Street since July 1 1937.

There seems to be some discrepancy of dates here? Also (a feeble shot in the dark) I don't suppose there is a pic anywhere of this Compton Buildings/Street set round about the time of the 1881 census?

Thanks again for any possible help.

Cheers

David

[peterd]

here something on it

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/t ... 0928828835

[Vikinghunter]

Thanks Peterd.

I've emailed both Richard Bush and Leigh on that topic and got a reply from the postmaster saying Leigh's email address is not accessible.

Admittedly that posting in Rootsweb was way back in 1999. Hopefully I'll hear from Richard.

Cheers

David