ARC TBC - Parents of William Toy b abbt 1788

[peterd]

Also one other fact is that I have a John Toy in Halesowen aged 40 in 1841 census - with a christening on 1795 from LDS under John Tay, which means he is between 40 and 46...
...and William Toy in Halesowen aged 45 in 1841 census - with a christening on 1790 from LDS under William Tay, which means he is between 45 and 51.

The fact that there is this 5 year gap on the range for these 2 people are leading me to believe that they are brothers from William and Elizabeth Tay.

And as I know that William Toy 45 in 1841 census is my ancestor, I believe I now have a good shout for William and Elizabeth Tay being William and Elizabeth Toy, and my ancestors.

you got the marriages for john and william do they give any clues ?

[NickToye]

Also one other fact is that I have a John Toy in Halesowen aged 40 in 1841 census - with a christening on 1795 from LDS under John Tay, which means he is between 40 and 46...
...and William Toy in Halesowen aged 45 in 1841 census - with a christening on 1790 from LDS under William Tay, which means he is between 45 and 51.

The fact that there is this 5 year gap on the range for these 2 people are leading me to believe that they are brothers from William and Elizabeth Tay.

And as I know that William Toy 45 in 1841 census is my ancestor, I believe I now have a good shout for William and Elizabeth Tay being William and Elizabeth Toy, and my ancestors.

you got the marriages for john and william do they give any clues ?

I don't sorry,

[peterd]

might be worth looking for who were there wives ?

[FarSide]

1851. The Hill, Halesowen.
William Foy 60. Jobing smith. Halesowen.
Sarah Foy 53. Dudley.

1841
Crock Street, Halesowen
William Toy 45 - Smith
Sarah Toy 40
all b in c

poss same house or next
John Evans 30
Sarah Evans 30
Thomas Moah 8
Ellen Trumps 6
Samuel Cutler 20
Harriot Cutler 20

Poss 2nd marriage for both
New FS site
Groom's Name: William Toy
Bride's Name: Sarah Bibb
Marriage Date: 13 Nov 1836
Marriage Place: Dudley, Worcester, England
Groom's Marital Status: Widowed
Bride's Marital Status: Widowed
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M02048-4
System Origin: England-EASy

[NickToye]

Sorry yes I have the marriage details for William who married Sarah Bibb/Smart. I don't know who his first marriage was to, as they were both widows.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... #moreinfo_

[NickToye]

I have found a marriage for William Toy and Ann Perkins in 1814 in Ribbesford. Although that is some way from Halesowen, but that's not to say it isn't possible.

[Northern Lass]

So we have this John Toy here on BCC
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =123208403

Who maybe brother to this William Toy
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =721056764

is that what we are thinking?

and John calls son edwin and Wms son Wm calls his son edwin.

So we dont have a marriage for John and Rosannah can anyone find it pls

and we need first marriage for Wm b abt 1788

and where is JOhn on 1851 pls what is his age coming out at

[linell]

John has died by 1851 Jan:-

Long Lane The Hill Worcs
Rosannah Toy HD W 50 Nailer The Hill Worcs
Elizabeth Da U 26 Nailer
Hannah Da U 18 Nailer
Matilda Da U 16 Nailer
Edwin Son 14 Nailer
Wm Son 12 Nailer
John Son 9 Nailer

All born 'The Hill.'

Cannot find a Marriage for John and Rosannah

Linell.

[linell]

Wm Toy who Married Sarah Smart was born about 1820. John was born about 1800, big gap to be brothers

I found a Baptism for a Joseph Toy 17.2.1819 Halesowen son of Wm and and Winifred Toy The Hill Nailer. Could Winifred be the missing first wife? Here:-

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... oye-Family

[Northern Lass]

Wm Toy who Married Sarah Smart was born about 1820. John was born about 1800, big gap to be brothers

I found a Baptism for a Joseph Toy 17.2.1819 Halesowen son of Wm and and Winifred Toy The Hill Nailer. Could Winifred be the missing first wife? Here:-

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... oye-Family

I mean that John b est 1800 on Bcc maybe Bro to Wm b abt 1788

[Northern Lass]

John has died by 1851 Jan:-

Long Lane The Hill Worcs
Rosannah Toy HD W 50 Nailer The Hill Worcs
Elizabeth Da U 26 Nailer
Hannah Da U 18 Nailer
Matilda Da U 16 Nailer
Edwin Son 14 Nailer
Wm Son 12 Nailer
John Son 9 Nailer

All born 'The Hill.'

Cannot find a Marriage for John and Rosannah

Linell.

Thanks Lin

shame no marriage

[linell]

Oh ok Jan, John born about 1800 may be brother of Wm born about 1790.

I found the Marriage of Wm and Winifred:-

groom's name: William Tay
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Winefred Foley
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 09 Jun 1818
marriage place: Saint Phillips,Birmingham,Warwick,England
groom's father's name:

[Northern Lass]

Wm Toy who Married Sarah Smart was born about 1820. John was born about 1800, big gap to be brothers

I found a Baptism for a Joseph Toy 17.2.1819 Halesowen son of Wm and and Winifred Toy The Hill Nailer. Could Winifred be the missing first wife? Here:-

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... oye-Family

nice one it is a poss isnt it

is there a bapt for Wm b 1820 with those parents?

[linell]

Burial for Elizabeth Tay from The Hill aged 59 at Halesowen 10.2.1817.

Burial for Wm Tay Halesowen 10.2.1805

Can't find anything to connect Wm 1790 and John 1800

Linell.

[linell]

The only Bap at Halesowen for Wm is Wm son of Wm and Elizabeth Tay 14.10.1790.

Oh found it listed under JAY - John son of Wm and Elizabeth Jay 19.7.1795

BUT then there is a Burial for John Tay in 1797

These are all in the Register:-

Halesowen bapts
18 Aug 1786 Elizabeth dau of William & Elizabeth Tay
31 Mar 1793 Mary do William & Elizabeth Tay
19 July 1795 John so William & Elizabeth Tay
25 Mar 1798 Hannah do William & Elizabeth Tay
27 Apr 1800 Ann do William & Elizabeth Toy

Linell.