ARC TBC - Nurse Child in Manchester

[Northern Lass]

1881 21 Kay Street Chorlton on Medlock
Alfred Burns head married 34 Cook b Birmingham
Ann " mar wife 34 b Manchester
Mary E? " dau 8
Eva " dau 4
Ethel " dau 9 mths
all others born manchester


1891 Rosamond? Pl? Chorlton on medlock
William A Burns head 45 Cook b Birmingham
Anne Burns wife 43
Mary E Burns dau 18 s confectioners assistant
Eva Burns dau 14 scholar
John Jos Burns 5
all others born manchester Lancs


1901 89, Denmark Road, South Manchester Chorlton upon Medlock
BURNS, William A Head Married 52 Carver Birmingham, Warwickshire
BURNS, Annie Wife Married 50 Liverpool
BURNS, John Son Single 14 Post Office Boy Manchester, Lancashire
MARSHALL, Rose Boarder Single 28 Domestic Birmingham
WALKER, Elizabeth Boarder Single 21 Own Means Scotland Paisley
HOLBROOK, William D Boarder Widower Agent Cliffton, Gloucestershire

Denmark Road is a road off Oxford road


1911 29 Portsmouth Street, Chorlton upon Medlock, Lancashire
William Alfred Burns head 66 married 38 years 9 children born alive 3 living 6 dead b Birmingham
Ann Burns wife 62 b Kilkenny Ireland
John Burns son 25 single chauffeur domestic
Fred Forrest boarder 38
John Forrest boarder 10

so this John single and chauffeur in 1911 and is a JOhn Joseph
poss 1885
BURNS John J Chorlton-on-Medlock Manchester CHO/142/15

Births Dec 1885
Burns John Joseph Chorlton 8c 780

[Mrdonovan]

Yeah, and there's the odd thing about birth years and places changing. It's very hard to follow if it's really the same one.

I've been looking at this site
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Manchester/Ch ... index.html

And can't see All saints church records being transcribed yet. It's the parish they belonged to.
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scrip ... eNumber=14
Do you think these could have something?

[Northern Lass]

I think you need to have a look at that death certif for that Sarah
and include or eliminate her.

If you are near the archives at Manchester you could pop in and look at the holdings.

that st Denmark is off Oxford Rd so it could be the John Burns with father Wm Alfred
maybe the name was wrong on birth certif

Look at the electoral regis see who is living at 294 Oxford rd in 1908/1909 and 1910

[Northern Lass]

Ok this is interesting.....

The Russells who "adopt" Mary P Burns are in 1901 in Kay Street
and the Burns ie Wm Alfred wife Ann and son John Burns are there in 1881.

1881 21 Kay Street Chorlton on Medlock
Alfred Burns head married 34 Cook b Birmingham
Ann " mar wife 34 b Manchester
Mary E? " dau 8
Eva " dau 4
Ethel " dau 9 mths
all others born manchester

1901 30 Kay Street Chorlton upon Medlock Lancs
George Russell head mar Railway Porter b Devonshire Hay?
Ann " wife 63 b Somerset Dunsten?
Lily " dau 23 Cook Hotel b Lancs manchester
Mary Earl visitor 28 m
May Strong visitor 5
Minnie Broan? visitor 8
all others b Lancs Manchester

Births Dec 1892 Broan Minnie Chorlton 8c 793



1911 9 Maskell St Chorlton upon Medlock Lancs
George Russell head 70 married 42 years 8 children 2 living 6 died b Ottery St Mary Devon
Ann Russell wife 74 b Dunster? Somerset
Lily Russell dau 32 single b Ardwick Manchester
May Strong 16 boarder single errand girl skirt whare house
Mary Patricia Burns 2 nurse child
others born C on M Manchester

1869 RUSSELL George GODBEY Ann Chorlton-on-Medlock, St. Saviour Manchester 45/1/346

[Mrdonovan]

I'm nowhere close to Manchester unfortunately. Would love to have gone through the All Saints records.

http://i.imgur.com/gMati.jpg

This is a map of some of the places mentioned from the censuses we've been looking at. I have looked at an old map of Chorlton, and tried to plot in the missing streets in their approx locations. Shows how close they are.

Almost looks like to me that the Russells had a tendency to take in the strays of Chorlton. May Strong is listed as visitor in 1901, and a boarder in 1911, but couldn't it be possible they kinda took care of her all along? Just like they took Mary P. in.

About John Joseph.
The only place he's listed as a Joseph is in 1889.
and like this.

Another thing I find odd about tracing that family is the changing birthyears. And new marriages to different Annes? Sure, they may not have known and gone for an estimate.
William Alfred Burns
Approx birth years
1881 - 1847
1891 - 1846
1901 - 1849
1911 - 1845

Ann/Anne/Anne
1881 - 1847 born in Manchester
1891 - 1848
1901 - 1850 born in Liverpool
1911 - 1849 born in Kilkenny

I feel a bit like something weird happened in 1901, and it may not even be the same family. Atleast very hard to confirm that it is.

[Northern Lass]

The census info can vary on dobs and names
there seemed to be a birth certif for a JOhn Joseph I posted preve Chorlton right sort of year.
I dont think he and Sarah married.

[peterd]

think looking at the electrol list for the cert address in 1909 might be a good idea to see if anyone else was in the house with sarah and same for 1910 & 1908

[Mrdonovan]

Where and how do I find and look at electoral lists?There's not much on Ancestry.co.uk as far as I can see.

[peterd]

Where and how do I find and look at electoral lists?There's not much on Ancestry.co.uk as far as I can see.

Archives


http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/info/archives.html

[Mrdonovan]

So, go to Manchester?

Ok, I think I'll see if I can get that death certificate for Sarah Burns. Seems to be the cheapest option to try catch Sarah Gamble
I'm out of other ideas.

[peterd]

So, go to Manchester?

Ok, I think I'll see if I can get that death certificate for Sarah Burns. Seems to be the cheapest option to try catch Sarah Gamble
I'm out of other ideas.

poss start with death cert, but a day out in manchester archive might help, if you do go to manchester ring and book a reader / computer first, find out time there open, dont go on spec, and write a list of thinks you want to find out before going as you always forget something if not ,

[Mrdonovan]

Would definitely make an extensive list if I went to Manchester. It's too long a drive from here (Norway) to end up forgetting something.

[snoopysue]

Would definitely make an extensive list if I went to Manchester. It's too long a drive from here (Norway) to end up forgetting something.

I know what you mean, I live in Denmark

[Northern Lass]

I contacted Manchester Archives and used their research fee facility
I received this response re the electoral registers

Thanks for your enquiry.
I have looked at the electoral registers for 1908 - 1910, but the property you have specified does not appear on the registers for those years.
This is not unusual as the electorate was still quite small at that time.
Only men of property would be elegible to vote. Very few women would appear on the registers. Universal suffrage only dates from 1928.
I have also looked at the Manchester directories for the same years, but again there is no listing for this property.

So no luck there

think you will have to see if that certif holds any clues

[Mrdonovan]

Thank you for looking into it for me. These people really are elusive. *sigh*