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not sure if the 1881 John and Emma is same as 1841 and 1851

1861 Baptist end lane dudley
John dunn 60 head married coal miner b Brierley Hill
Eliza Dunn 57 wife b Salop

the one on 1881 is born diff area but cant see them going back....

Can anyone pls find that 1881 John and Emma on the 1871
as I think he is a different John and Emma to the 1841etc I found

maybe Warks area?

Northern Lass wrote:I wonder if father for John is Thomas and is John Thomas Dunn or Thomas John?

I think Jesse fits into this lot
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =340995614

but not sure how

where is Thomas on 1841?

1841 CENSUS
At Darby Hand, Dudley
Sophia Barnsley 35 Shoe Binder
Elizabeth Barnsley 7
Noah Barnsley 6
Eliza Barnsley 2

1841. Darby Hand.
Jesse Dunn 23. Engineer.
Thurza Dunn 23.
Henry Dunn 6 MO.
All born in county.

I think you are onto something here (or back to it )
What if sophia essentially raised Jesse...her husband was named Henry, and Jesse later turned his daughter over to Sophia after his fist wife died.
Sophia's parents almost seem too old to have been Jesse's parents, but not impossible...Mary would have been 49ish. Could Mary have had Jesse late and died? Were Sophia and Jesse cousins? I know we went round this bend before, but worth another look!

What if Sophia was his mother? She would have been 16 and didn't marry Henry Barnsley until she was 30...

Out of wedlock? Might explain no baptism...perhaps a made up father?

Bibliogirl wrote:What if Sophia was his mother? She would have been 16 and didn't marry Henry Barnsley until she was 30...

Out of wedlock? Might explain no baptism...perhaps a made up father?

I was just coming to that conclusion too

he calls his first son Henry and as you say she didnt marry until age 30
doesnt say if she is spinster or wid on marriage need to check that
presume she is the Sophia dunn with those parents and not married a dunn?

Northern Lass wrote:Which church is this then? cos not St Leonards Clent is it?
John, 28 Jan 1810
Benjamin, 8 Nov 1811
Martha, 16 Nov 1813
David, 29 Nov 1815
John, 4 Jan 1817 (Jesse?)
Joseph, 2 Sep 1819
Eliza, 26 Jul 1825


cos it should have the occupation of father for the ones after 1812

Jan I have the CD for Clent Baptist Church, under LOOK UP OFFERS

John son of John Dunn and Sarah his wife was born Black Delph in the Parish of Kingswinford 28.1.1810 Registered by John Dunn. (His father?)
Benjamin son of John Dunn and Sarah his wife born Black Delph in the Parish of Kingswinford 9.11.1811. Registered by John Dunn.
Martha da of John Dunn and Sarah his wife was born Black Delph in the Parish of Kingswinford 16.11.1813. Registered by John Dunn.
David son of John Dunn and Sarah his wife was born Black Delph in the Parish of Kingswinford 29.11.1815 Registered by John Dunn.
John son of John Dunn and Sarah his wife was born Brettell Lane in the Parish of Kingswinford 1.1.1817. Registered by John Dunn.
Joseph son of John Dunn and his wife Sarah was born Brettell Lane in the Parish of Kingswinford 2.9.1819. Registered by John Dunn.
Elizabeth da of John Dunn and his wife Sarah was born Brettell Lane in the Parish of Kingswinford 26.7.1825. Registered by Thomas Brindley.

The Records are the Register Book of Births for the Baptist Chapel Holy Cross Clent. John Dunn Snr was a Pastor there. Sorry not been following this thread, saw you had mentioned Baptist End Netherton, the road was named after the Baptist Church there, think there are a lot of records available, someone I was in touch with found a lot of their family history at either the Chapel it's self or Dudley Archives, can't remember which off hand. Does look like this family were all Baptists.

Linell.

Bibliogirl wrote:What if Sophia was his mother? She would have been 16 and didn't marry Henry Barnsley until she was 30...

Out of wedlock? Might explain no baptism...perhaps a made up father?

Baptists weren't baptised until they were adults, that is why you cannot find any. Would be listed in the Register of Births if you can find a copy.

Linell.

Thanks Linell forgot about look up offers

Did you order those death certifs BG?
or you not bothering....they may be wrong ones anyway

wondering whether to move Jesse to connect to sophia with a note
still doesnt feel right linking him to that lot we have at mo

No, i didn't order the death certs, they never felt right to me. And yes, i think we should disscinnect Jesse from where he is and put him tentatively with Sophia. I'm also starting to wonder if she was married to John Dunn first. It is interesting though that when Jesse's daughter visits in 1861(?), she is listed as a visitor, but there is another younger child listed as grandchild. Was Sophia a stepmother?

Bibliogirl wrote:No, i didn't order the death certs, they never felt right to me. And yes, i think we should disscinnect Jesse from where he is and put him tentatively with Sophia. I'm also starting to wonder if she was married to John Dunn first. It is interesting though that when Jesse's daughter visits in 1861(?), she is listed as a visitor, but there is another younger child listed as grandchild. Was Sophia a stepmother?

Still not sure we have that John that looks like Uncle to Sophia
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =773479192

I just wondered if the death might have occupation as a gardener?

I have slotted Jesse with that John whilst we work on it
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =754646277

that sophia marriage needs tbc if status is on wid or spinster

I can't see him in 1871.


John Dun.
bride's name: Sarah Schaw.
marriage date: 1794.
marriage place: Clent, Worcester.
indexing project (batch) number: M03517-2.
system origin: England-VR.
source film number: 1042160.
reference number: 2:R5ZV37.

Thanks Jimmy for looking
Just with him being a gardener in 1881 ....straws clutching

I would like to know who those witnesses at the marriage of Sophia dunn are
William and sarah dunn

I cant see a son of William to Thomas dunn father of Sophia
23 Sep 1832 Kingswinford
Henry Barnsley, otp & Sophia Dunn, otp
by banns John A Baxter
Wit - William Dunn & Sarah Dunn

also on transcript we dont have marital status
so we might not have the correct Sophia Dunn connected....if she was a widow
she marries late in 1832
and she is born dudley on census not Brierley Hill

does she actually fit with that family?

It's looking more like Sophia might not have been a Dunn, and Barnsley could have been her second marriage. She seemed to be a very independent woman, working in shops and what not over the years.

I got sidetracked yesterday helping a friend with her tree and her Irish heritage i love a good brick wall

Yeah, Jesse always listed himself as being born in Dudley too, not Brierly.