Jimmy wrote:1861. North Bierley, Yorkshire. Joseph Jewkes 41. Hammerman. Tipton. Sarah Jewkes 41. Dudley. Sarah Ann Jewkes 14. Caroline Jewkes 12. David Jewkes 10. Emma Jewkes 9. Sophia Jewkes 6. Harriot Jewkes 5 MO.
So she is living as Jukes before marriage.
1851. North Bierley, Yorkshire. Joseph Jukes 31. Hammerman in forge. Tipton. Sarah Jukes 30. Dudley. Joseph Jukes 7. Sarah Ann Jukes 11. Caroline Jukes 2. Louie Jukes 8 MO.
chrishillman wrote:Yes - on the 1861 census - where she is Sarah Jewkes, her age is shown as 41 and born in Dudley. So that ties up with the April 1819 birth date ...
chrishillman wrote:Yes - on the 1861 census - where she is Sarah Jewkes, her age is shown as 41 and born in Dudley. So that ties up with the April 1819 birth date ...
Can you post the details of this one then.
Actually I have misled you - I have picked up the same entry as you did. I think that I need to recheck to see if I can get more details about this second marriage in order to clarify her age in 1854.
Northern Lass wrote:The marriage in 1842 to a Joseph Jewkes and Martha Willetts is not the correct Joseph as father there is a Benjamin
Do you have his first marriage at all for Joseph Jewkes?
No - I haven't actually looked because of the problems with the Jukes family in Dudley - too many of them!! As I say, I'm nore interested in Sarah's first marriage, but agree that it would help to clarify her age at the date of the second marriage.
it may seem we are going off at a tangent but we all work like this we throw it all into the pot and we get some very good results so yes you need the marriage but...
The first marriage for Joseph may be useful as it may show you where he is on census and who is living near him ie maybe future wife also wits etc.
So we don't know do we if that is your Joseph on the 1851 and 1861. Who are the children of your Joseph and Sarah? do you know?
Northern Lass wrote:it may seem we are going off at a tangent but we all work like this we throw it all into the pot and we get some very good results so yes you need the marriage but...
The first marriage for Joseph may be useful as it may show you where he is on census and who is living near him ie maybe future wife also wits etc.
So we don't know do we if that is your Joseph on the 1851 and 1861. Who are the children of your Joseph and Sarah? do you know?
Re the last point - no idea because its not really been on my wavelength to investigate anything post the marriage in 1854 to JJ. Some years ago I did do some work on the Jukes family, but gave up very quickly because of the large numbers of them and could see that it was going to be a very major exercise. Just as a total aside...in the family album..yes, the nice Victorian sort with sepias...I have a picture of a Billy Jewkes (annotation maybe made by my grandfather?) and also another of a very fine looking old lady with the annotation "Hamblett nee Jewkes (Dad's great great grandma)" also possibly made by my grandfather. I have never managed to resolve whether this annotation is true or not. So...I do know that there is a link between the Hillman's and the Jewkes family and thought that it was actually via the Joseph Jukes marrying a widow of a Hillman. It might of course be a completely different member of the Jukes family!
chrishillman wrote:Re the last point - no idea because its not really been on my wavelength to investigate anything post the marriage in 1854 to JJ. Some years ago I did do some work on the Jukes family, but gave up very quickly because of the large numbers of them and could see that it was going to be a very major exercise. Just as a total aside...in the family album..yes, the nice Victorian sort with sepias...I have a picture of a Billy Jewkes (annotation maybe made by my grandfather?) and also another of a very fine looking old lady with the annotation "Hamblett nee Jewkes (Dad's great great grandma)" also possibly made by my grandfather. I have never managed to resolve whether this annotation is true or not. So...I do know that there is a link between the Hillman's and the Jewkes family and thought that it was actually via the Joseph Jukes marrying a widow of a Hillman. It might of course be a completely different member of the Jukes family!
rockyfowler wrote:2 Mar 1854 St Thomas Dudley Joseph JEWKES F W Superintendant Dudley Father Joseph Jewkes Constable Sarah HILLMAN F W Police Dudley Father William Dudley Dead Butcher After Banns Joseph Signed The X Of Sarah Wit; Hannah Davies Thomas Davies John A "“?
Have you any later census's, or anything that take's you back to this marriage, or could you post later stuff and we are willing to help you get back further.
Northern Lass wrote:any later census for Joseph Jewkes and Sarah?
or deaths? or kids?
I will start off marriage for Bride and groom in BC section to explore the Jewkes line and the Dudley line may overlap but then I can add to the tree too
I was just looking at deaths on West Mids BMD - when I said there were a lot of Jewkes..well here we go:
1855 - Joseph x 2 (Dudley) 1855 - Sarah (Stourbridge) 1856 - Sarah (Dudley) 1857 - Joseph (Stourbridge) 1858 - Sarah x 2 (Dudley) 1860 - Sarah (Dudley)
I suspect there is a high probability that one of these Sarahs and one of these Josephs were the ones that I was interested in, and is the reason why they don't seem to appear on the 1861 census...
