*Archived * -John Henry Moore

[Northern Lass]

Laffin here... ok...NL is me! SkS is short for Sad known Saddo... again me! (alternatively some kind soul)

and HTH is hope that helps!

and I am

ROFLMAO



we will crack this fear not

[Northern Lass]

That 1841 one could fit Oldswinford father William and if Dob is abt 1830 accord to the marr info it could fit ... hmmm

Anne Turner & John married at Oldswinford Parish Church 7th May 1854. He was 24 & a labourer.
Dad was William, also a labourer. Witnesses were Thomas & Mary Moore.

[Northern Lass]

Sharon Have you got the Census info?

1871 High St Cradley
all born Cradley
John Moore h m 44 (b 1827) horse driver
Ann wife 43
Charles son unm 16 (b 1855)
Thomas 13
Clara some middle name 10
Alfred 8
Harry 6
John H 4 (b 1867)
Harriet (some middle name) 2
Ann some midd name 2 mths

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1861 Cradley east side of Village
John Moore h mar 32 ( b 1829) b Cradley
Ann wife 31 b Staffs Rowley Regis Staffs
Charles son 5
Thomas 3
Dau 1 day old
(that would be Clara)
all kids b Cradley
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[Northern Lass]

Not too sure on this one but needs discounting... no thomas on this one as a poss bro for John but a John with father William

1841 Oldswinford Worcs- Bell lane
William 40 chainmaker y
Hannah? 40 y
Henry 12 y
Edward 20 y glass cutter
Fanny 18 y
Mary 15 y
Henrietta 6 y
Angelina 4
Eliza2
John 9

nb this is not the same lot as in Norton derbyshire in 1841 and 1851 although they are a William and Hannah
2 entirely different families - the John in the derbyshire one is b 1822.

Can anyone find this lot on the 1851 census please....

[Northern Lass]

JOHN MOORE Birth: 05 OCT 1830
Christening: 14 NOV 1830 High Street Independent, Stourbridge, Worcester,
Father: WILLIAM MOORE
Mother: HANNAH
Extracted

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ANGELINA MORE
Birth: 10 SEP 1836
Christening: 11 DEC 1836 High Street Independent, Stourbridge, Worcester,
Father: WILLIAM MORE
Mother: HANNAH
Extracted birth
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others....

EDWARD MOOR Christening: 17 OCT 1819 Cradley, Worcester,
Father: WILLIAM MOOR
Mother: HANNAH
Extracted

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HENRY MOORE
Christening: 06 APR 1828 Old Swinford, Worcester,
Father: WILLIAM MOORE
Mother: HANNAH
Extracted

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FANNY MOOR Christening: 22 DEC 1822 Cradley, Worcester,
Father: WILLIAM MOOR
Mother: HANNAH
Extracted
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MARY ANN MORE
Christening: 25 DEC 1825 Cradley, Worcester,
Father: WILLIAM MORE Mother: HANNAH
Extracted birth
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HENRIETEN MOORE Birth: 29 JUN 1833
Christening: 18 AUG 1833 High Street Independent, Stourbridge, Worcester,
Father: WILLIAM MOORE
Mother: HANNAH
Extracted
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other possibles...
- ELI MOOR -Christening: 26 NOV 1820 Cradley, Worcester,
- WILLIAM MOORE - Christening: 06 APR 1828 Old Swinford, Worcester
-GEORGE MORE Birth: 05 SEP 1835
Christening: 10 SEP 1835 High Street Independent, Stourbridge, Worcester,
Father: WILLIAM MORE
Mother: HANNAH
Extracted

[Northern Lass]

This William I think marries a Hannah Harper 21 Sept 1818 St Thomas Dudley

Poss babt 19 May 1793 Cradley accord to ances tree ( they have some of the kids from the census)
But I cant see that bapt for William on IGI.
Can anyone see that bapt

Parents may be a George Moore and Penelope Orton

They have the line all the way back to abt 1560

I would like to find this family on 1851 census to check em out

[FarSide]

Poss
1851
46
Bell Lane, Stourbridge
William Morre 57 - b Cradley
Hannah Morre 54 - b Cradley
John Morre 20
Angelina Morre 15
Eliza Morre 11
James Morre 8
Louisa Morre 5
Thomas Bolt 21 - visitor - Glass painter - b Wordsley
George Cook 28 - visitor - Plumber and Glazier - Birmingham
others b Stourbridge, Nailmakers

[Sharon]

Hi helpers!
ROFLMAO?
Look at the time you were searching for me! Do you people ever get any sleep!
Right, next steps...
I could only ever find one William Moore marriage in the area, and thats the Hannah Harper at Top church Dudley-again the posh ones who moved to derbyshire.
Think the Bell lane family are the Derbyshire lot
I have 1861 census info same as you, Clara being 1 day old, and living at 151 New Street.
This census info, but date missing...living High St Cradley.
Ann Moore 1823 wife
.Albert H Moore c 1863
Ann R Moore 1871
Charles Moore 1855 milkman
Clara A. E Moore 1861
Harriet E Moore 1869....... someone told me this may be harriet Emily
Harry Moore 1865
John Moore 1827 horse driver (head)
John H Moore 1867
Thomas Moore 1858 carter

Have no death info..

Have seen the 5th Oct 1830 baptism before, but dont know...thought it may be the William/Hannah Harper family, as the William is down as Chainmaker Stourbridge, not labourer Cradley.......but i gather that ther may now be 3 Moore families! My dad says there are 2 unrelated Moore families in Cradley Heath...
Thanks again....Sharon

[linell]

Hi Sharon, is that list above from the 1881 Census? If so that would be a great help. We have the family of John Henry born 1827 and Ann Turner in 1861 (by the way the reference 151 is the schedule not the house number) and we have the family in High Street Cradley 1871. As you say John's father is a William, from the Marriage Certificate, we have deduced that it is not the William Moore and Hannah Harper from Old Swinford, there son John born 1830 is in Derbyshire on the Census. So we need to find another William Moore who has a son John Henry born about 1827. Can't find a baptism for him, he could have been baptised at a Non Conformist Church like Graingers Lane which is not on the IGI. I presume that this William died before 1841 as he does not seem to be on the Census? I am just going to see if there is a Burial for him at Cradley. There's a Cradley Web Site, they have a Book Shop, you can buy the Vicar's Notebooks from there, it is www.cradleylinks.co.uk back later from linell.

[linell]

Sorry forgot to say that the reference 582A for Hannah Turner says she was Ill but takes the sacrament, this is 1857, she is a Widow living in Lyde Green, which is near Cradley Forge. She is living with sons Richard 28 Chainmaker attends Church seldom, and Benjamin 22 Chainmaker, he attends Church.

Also found a Baptism for David son of Thomas and Mary Moore he is an Excise Officer from Cradley, date 28.12.1828. I wondered if this is the Thomas and Mary who were witnesses at the Marriage of John Henry and Ann Turner, an Uncle maybe? Best Wishes from linell.

[linell]

Found a death on West Midlands BMD for a William Moore Halesowen 1840, that could be John Henry's father being as he is not on the 1841 Census............

[linell]

Sharon, there are Moore's going back to the 1500's in Cradley, listed in the Court Rolls and some Wills, I don't know if they are your family or not though? Best Wishes from linell.

[Sharon]

Thank you so much for giving more time to this Linnell
Thanks about the vicars notebooks-I'm most interested!
Think its the 1881 census-I have sheet of paper with the year torn off!
What would be the reason do you think for them being missing from the census prior to 1861?
Dont think this hannah is "one of ours" havent seen a Richard or Ben anywhere..William Moore is named on his sons marriage cert of 1854, is a labourer, but no "deceased" by it as I've seen before...
The Thomas on the census dated 1858, brother of john 1867, son of the John who married Ann in 1854, wonder if he had a son of the same name....
my head hurts! yours must be even worse!
wishing you ongoing sanity and good health!
Sharon
just read your last post.. 1500's!.wouldnt that be great! but.....go on linnell, I have faith in you!

[linell]

<LOL> Sharon, the only thing I can think of as to why John Henry 1830 is not on the Census before 1861, is either he was working in another part of the Country, a Labourer somewhere, or his father died and his mother re-married, these step children more often than not took on their step-fathers names, but we have nothing to go on, if we knew his mother's christian name we could look up to see if there was a 2nd Marriage for her. I presume that Ann Turner is on the Census in 1841 and 1851, not looked for her yet. I know that John Henry gave his father's name on his Marriage Certificate as Wm but we cannot presume he was dead or alive then, unless the Vicar pointedly asked John Henry if his father was deceased the question would not arise, did it give an occupation for Wm? Will sleep on it and get back to you tomorrow, at least we now have the 1881 information, catch u later from linell.

[Northern Lass]

This is great stuff.. we can now cos of Linells find discount that John with parents Wm and Hannah as he is on the census with Wife Eliz in 1871 and dau Angelina named i presume after his sister.

So we are still looking for a William Moore labourer Cradley area with a son John Or John Henry b abt 1822-1830 either a labourer or horse driver? Poss with bro Thomas ( witness at marriage -perhaps Thomas has wife Mary or it is another sib)

Is that correct?

So where are they in 1851 and 1841...



and why are they John H b 1867 and sibs) boarders in 1881 has John b 1822-1830 died!
I wonder if he is down as dead on Claras marriage to Wm guise?

ps at Dudley today noticed the Cradley vicars notes were £4 per book I paid bit more than that and they are great!