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kdw wrote:1841 Belper Row Dudley
James Samuel 50 Coal Miner Not born in County
Sarah Samuel 40 Not born in County
William Fineman 15 Coal Miner Born in Country
Maria Fineman 5 Born in County
Phoebe Wilcocks 18 Born in County

Looks like Sumnel and Trueman on image

Could this be Rebeca in 1851?

Can we recap and have i got this right

Sarah Worton married Benjamin Tromans
They had
Phoebe Married Thomas Wilcox
William Jacobs father
Maria Married Edward Downing But her father is William
according to 1841 census Maria is age 5

Benjamin must have died and she remarried James Sumnall who shes with in 1841

In 1851 Rebeccca is listed as daughter age 18 married to Edward Downing with daughter Hannah age 3 mths

There is a death for Sarah Sumnall age 84 in 1872 Dudley 6c 20

St Giles Rowley Regis
20 Jan 1851
Edward Downing 22 B Miner Tividale William Downing Nailer
Maria Tromans 19 S Tividale William Tromans Miner
Witness
James Rowbottom,
Hannah Steventon

I gont know kdw
I think it may be best to get the look uos and come back to it?

Spent hours looking and still not getting it. Not sure but it feels like William Tromans may have married twice too? Eliza and then Elizabeth. Some seem to be on IGI.
May be my mind working over time!
Jo x

can we find this lot in 1851

or any bapts

1861 Rowley Regis
William Troman Head 36 Coal Miner Born Rowley Regis
Eliza Troman Wife 36 Nailer Born Rowley Regis
Jeremiah Troman Son 17 Coal Miner Born Rowley Regis
Joseph Tromans Son 4 Labourer Born Rowley Regis
Sarah Tromans Daur 9 Scholar Born Rowley Regis
William Tromans Son 4 Born Rowley Regis
Thomas Tromans Son 2 Born Rowley Regis
Sarah Tromans Mother Mar 66 Born Rowley Regis


have we 2 marriages then one to Eliza and one to Elizabeth?

do we have any bapts for William and Maria kids of Sarah Sumnell nee troman nee worton

is this sarah worton family
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =150816868

Cant find them in 1851
Neither can i see a birth for Jeremiah

Possible marriage
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1846
TROMANS William HILL Eliza Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/007/306

Beta Serach
Groom's Name: William Tromans
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Eliza Hill
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 28 Sep 1846
Marriage Place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M04014-3
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 378777

so this could be the 2nd one

1862
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
TROWMANS William PARKES Elizabeth Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/020/412

poss

1843
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
HILL Jeremiah Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/6/450


So what we got

he marries Eliza then Elizabeth

his mother marries a Benjamin or William .....need to know which one

looks like benjamin but maria has father William

I have no idea getting more and more confussed the more i look at it

Isaac is missing on BCC
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ans-Family

Ok will add and going to split kids

have a look at what I add
we can sort this ......we can we can

There is this William
1851 Tippetty Green Rowley Regis
William Tromans Heads Mar 27 Coal Miner Born Dudley
Eliza Tromans Wife 26 Born Nailer Rowley
Hannah Tromans Daur 4 Scholar Born Rowley
John Tromans Son 1 Born Rowley
Joseph Redfern Inmate Mar 25 Coal Miner Born Rowley
Mary Ann Redfern Inmate Mar 21 Nailer Born Dudley
Thomas Redfern Inmate 1 Born Rowley

Northern Lass wrote:can we find this lot in 1851

or any bapts

1861 Rowley Regis
William Troman Head 36 Coal Miner Born Rowley Regis
Eliza Troman Wife 36 Nailer Born Rowley Regis
Jeremiah Troman Son 17 Coal Miner Born Rowley Regis
Joseph Tromans Son 4 Labourer Born Rowley Regis
Sarah Tromans Daur 9 Scholar Born Rowley Regis
William Tromans Son 4 Born Rowley Regis
Thomas Tromans Son 2 Born Rowley Regis
Sarah Tromans Mother Mar 66 Born Rowley Regis


have we 2 marriages then one to Eliza and one to Elizabeth?

do we have any bapts for William and Maria kids of Sarah Sumnell nee troman nee worton

?? Not all ages matching

Extracted IGI Christenings
Father William, Mother Eliza

Harriet Tromans 22 OCT 1855 Rowley Regis, Stafford,

William Tromans - 11 JAN 1857 Rowley Regis, Stafford,

Thomas Tromans - 20 MAY 1860 Rowley Regis, Stafford,

John Tromans - 05 AUG 1861 Rowley Regis, Stafford,

Joseph Tromans - 26 MAY 1850 Rowley Regis, Stafford,

can anyone fill in any on this pls for mother sarah
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =745528850

does that look ok what we have on Bcc so far?

can anyone help me add pls

sarahs marriage to james
kids census etc

I will add it.
Jo