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I have found in the past that Minnie can be Ann, there isn't a birth reg for a Minnie that I can see,

Births Mar 1846.
Hanson Ann. Whitechapel. 2. 616.

Maths girl wrote:Leaving the 1871 census aside -- the implication in the others is that there was some money around -- retired pottery dealer/ living on own means --- would trade directories give any further clues? / wills?

A family story goes 'When the daughters started putting on airs father would say "Don't you go getting all hoity-toity, don't forget my money was made from lavatory pans!"'. Pottery dealer seems a rather genteel way of putting lavatory salesman doesn't it?

Jimmy wrote:I have found in the past that Minnie can be Ann, there isn't a birth reg for a Minnie that I can see,

Births Mar 1846.
Hanson Ann. Whitechapel. 2. 616.

I couldn't find one either, nor an 1851 census entry, which is why, given the gossip in the family about an Irish connection, I wondered if she had come from Ireland, hence the (missing) arrival entry I found somewhere but now can't replicate (might it have been on the LDS site?). However, I didn't think that passengers from Ireland would have been registered as the whole of Ireland was part of the UK in those days.

Jimmy wrote:BARRALET Joseph of Fairview Sydenham-Hill-Rd, Kent, Gentleman, died 11 october 1893. Probate London 6 November to Minne Barralet widow, Nelly Hanson Barralet spinster ane Thomas Barralet Gentlman. Effects £1714 12s 6d.

Indexed as William,
BARRALET Minnie of 88 Oakfield Rd, West Croydon, Surrey. Widow died 8 March 1921. Probate London 6 April to Kate Hanson Barralet spinster. Effects £833 9s.

BARRALET Kate Hanson of Newstead 56 Sefton Rd, Addiscombe Croydon Surrey. spinster died 26 January 1928. Probate London. Effects £2013 4s 11d.

Thanks Jimmy that's interesting stuff, especially that Kate (known as Kind Kate in the family) seems to have been that much better off at her death. Sorry if they are silly questions but:

Do the effects include the house? If not I suppose they might have been renting.

What does "Indexed as William" mean? Is it that it was indexed as William Barralet or that it was as Minnie William or something else altogether?

Is it possible to look up the two addresses (Oakfield Road & Sefton Road) to see if Barralets or married daughters were living there in 1911?

These are still South London addresses though, no sign of a move to the wilds of Edgeware.

Incidentally there's a site here that has a historical value conversion widget.

Not sure about what effects mean, on Ancestry it was indexed as William no mention of Minnie.

Effects, property and personal effects.

SRD wrote:BARRALET Joseph of Fairview Sydenham-Hill-Rd, Kent, Gentleman, died 11 october 1893. Probate London 6 November to Minne Barralet widow, Nelly Hanson Barralet spinster ane Thomas Barralet Gentlman. Effects £1714 12s 6d.

Indexed as William,
BARRALET Minnie of 88 Oakfield Rd, West Croydon, Surrey. Widow died 8 March 1921. Probate London 6 April to Kate Hanson Barralet spinster. Effects £833 9s.

BARRALET Kate Hanson of Newstead 56 Sefton Rd, Addiscombe Croydon Surrey. spinster died 26 January 1928. Probate London. Effects £2013 4s 11d.

Missed Nelly.

Barralet, Nelly Hanson of 88 Oakfield Rd, Croydon, Surrey, spinster died 27 September 1918, at Dingwell Rd, Croydon. Administration London 11 November to Minnie Barralett widow. Effects £12 8s 7d.

Barralet, Nelly Hanson of 88 Oakfield Rd, Croydon, Surrey, spinster died 27 September 1918, at Dingwell Rd, Croydon. Administration London 17 October to Joseph Hanson Barralet engineer. Effects £889 15s 3d. Former Grant P. R. November 1918.

Could this be daughter Lydia,

Marriages Sep 1896.
BARRALET Lydia Grace. Croydon. 2a. 610.
Barraley Lydia Grace. Croydon. 2a. 610.
Newton Florence Mary. Croydon. 2a. 610.
Shorter Ernest Edwin. Croydon. 2a. 610.
Walter Walter Jackson. Croydon. 2a 610.

1901. Woodside, Finchley.
Ernest E Shorter 29. Submarine engineer. Highgate, Middlesex.
Lydia G Shorter 26. Waithamstow, Essex.
Ivy G Shorter 6 Months. New Southgate, Middlesex.
Elizabeth Furniss 19. 17 on image, servant. Leyton, Essex.

Deaths Dec 1942.
Barralet Laura H. 60. Croydon. 2a. 844.

England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards.
RE MISS LAURA HANSON BARRALET, otherwise Laura Macquellan (deceased). Pursuant to the Trustee Act 1925, all persons having claims against Laura Hanson Barralett otherwise Laura Hanson Macquellan School Proprietress (retired) who died on the first day of December 1942, and whose Will was proved by the Public Trustee, one of the Executors therein named, on the 12th day of March 1943 in the Principal Probate Registry, are requiered to send particulars therefore in writing to the undersigned on or before the 10 day of July next, after which date the said Executor will proceed to distribute the assets having regard only to the claims of wife he shall then have said notice.
At the time of her death the deceased's address was 11, Carlyle Rd, Croydon, Surrey. She resided for some years at "Coombe Cottage" Downs View Lane, East Dean, near Eastbourne, Sussex, previously thereto, she lived at 47 Fairfield Avenue, Edgware, Middlesex, and 292, Hale Lane, Edgware Middlesex. Dated this 14th day of April 1943.
HOWE & RAKE, 22 Chancery Lane, London. Solicitors for the Executor.

British Phone Books, 1880-1984 Record for L MacQuellan.
1930. same address in 1931.
MacQuellan L, Thirlmere Hale Lane, Telephone EDGware 0286.

Jimmy wrote:Deaths Dec 1942.
Barralet Laura H. 60. Croydon. 2a. 844.

England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards.
RE MISS LAURA HANSON BARRALET, otherwise Laura Macquellan (deceased). Pursuant to the Trustee Act 1925, all persons having claims against Laura Hanson Barralett otherwise Laura Hanson Macquellan School Proprietress (retired) who died on the first day of December 1942, and whose Will was proved by the Public Trustee, one of the Executors therein named, on the 12th day of March 1943 in the Principal Probate Registry, are requiered to send particulars therefore in writing to the undersigned on or before the 10 day of July next, after which date the said Executor will proceed to distribute the assets having regard only to the claims of wife he shall then have said notice.
At the time of her death the deceased's address was 11, Carlyle Rd, Croydon, Surrey. She resided for some years at "Coombe Cottage" Downs View Lane, East Dean, near Eastbourne, Sussex, previously thereto, she lived at 47 Fairfield Avenue, Edgware, Middlesex, and 292, Hale Lane, Edgware Middlesex. Dated this 14th day of April 1943.
HOWE & RAKE, 22 Chancery Lane, London. Solicitors for the Executor.

What a find!!

Jimmy wrote:Could this be daughter Lydia,

Marriages Sep 1896.
BARRALET Lydia Grace. Croydon. 2a. 610.
Barraley Lydia Grace. Croydon. 2a. 610.
Newton Florence Mary. Croydon. 2a. 610.
Shorter Ernest Edwin. Croydon. 2a. 610.
Walter Walter Jackson. Croydon. 2a 610.

1901. Woodside, Finchley.
Ernest E Shorter 29. Submarine engineer. Highgate, Middlesex.
Lydia G Shorter 26. Waithamstow, Essex.
Ivy G Shorter 6 Months. New Southgate, Middlesex.
Elizabeth Furniss 19. 17 on image, servant. Leyton, Essex.

Yes indeed, that's MrsSRD's grandfather. The term Submarine engineer is a little misleading as, although submarines were being commercially produced in Britain by then, EE actually worked on the underwater cables used to send telegraph messages across the world. There are a couple of interesting then and now maps here.

Jimmy wrote:Deaths Dec 1942.
Barralet Laura H. 60. Croydon. 2a. 844.

England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards.
RE MISS LAURA HANSON BARRALET, otherwise Laura Macquellan (deceased). Pursuant to the Trustee Act 1925, all persons having claims against Laura Hanson Barralett otherwise Laura Hanson Macquellan School Proprietress (retired) who died on the first day of December 1942, and whose Will was proved by the Public Trustee, one of the Executors therein named, on the 12th day of March 1943 in the Principal Probate Registry, are requiered to send particulars therefore in writing to the undersigned on or before the 10 day of July next, after which date the said Executor will proceed to distribute the assets having regard only to the claims of wife he shall then have said notice.
At the time of her death the deceased's address was 11, Carlyle Rd, Croydon, Surrey. She resided for some years at "Coombe Cottage" Downs View Lane, East Dean, near Eastbourne, Sussex, previously thereto, she lived at 47 Fairfield Avenue, Edgware, Middlesex, and 292, Hale Lane, Edgware Middlesex. Dated this 14th day of April 1943.
HOWE & RAKE, 22 Chancery Lane, London. Solicitors for the Executor.

That's brilliant Jimmy! Obviously the Barralet penchant for nicknames strikes again as Laura must have been known as Molly. Still no sign of Mr Macquellan though.
I've tried to track down the solicitors, they seem to have moved to City Wall where they picked up another partner, then to Hitchin in Hertfordshire, but the phone numbers I've found on the net all come up with 'number unobtainable'.

can this be archived now?
Jo

I suppose so, no further info seems to be forthcoming.