*Arc pending look ups* ----John James from Halesowen

[Antie Em]

going to flag this for help adding what we can to BCC

I'll do it NL - after I've done a bit of Housework

[Northern Lass]

great thanks.....

[Antie Em]

Hi mini

I have added all we have so far and a bit more into the BCC tree.

Can you just confirm that this is your Alice, and if it is, do you have the marriage details, to save looking it up, then I will add this too

1886 : JAMES Alice BUNCE Francis C Smethwick, Holy Trinity Sandwell Register Office 1/3/319

1891 : Stamford Road, Handsworth, Staffs
Francis C Bunce, Head, 33, Postman, Born in Aston, Warks<br>
Alice Bunce, Wife, 27, Born in Ocker Hill
Alice M Bunce, Daur, 4, Born in Handsworth

1901 : 170, Crompton Road, Handsworth, Staffs
Francis C Bance, Head, 43, Civil Service Postman, Born in Aston, Warks
Alice Bance, Wife, 37, Born in Ocker Hill
Alice Bance, Daur, 14, Born in Handsworth
Charles Bance, Son, 9 Born in Handsworth

1911 : 170, Crompton Road, Handsworth, Staffs
Francis Charles Bunce, Head, 53, Civil Service Postman, Born in Aston Manor, Warks
Alice Bance, Wife, 47, Born in Ocker Hill
Alice Mary Bance, Daur, 24, Filing Office Clerk, Born in Handsworth
Charles Edward Bance, Son, 19, Accounts Cerk, Born in Handsworth

[Antie Em]

All added here : http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... een-Family

Mini - do you have this marriage - if not I will add it to lookup list

1895 : HALE Joseph H JAMES Mary P Smethwick, Holy Trinity Sandwell Register Office 1/4/275

Found Sarah's parents in 1841 - in 1851 her mother is living with Thomas Banner, who is found living with John and Sarah in 1861 and 1871. So Sarah must have had a sister who married a Banner. Can't find marriage, so probably need Thomas's birth cert to find out who his parents are.

Found a possible marriage for Thomas's sister Jane, also with John and Sarah James in

1877 : BANNER Jane FOXLEY Joseph Smethwick, Holy Trinity Sandwell Register Office 1/2/375

Can't find Thomas in 1881

Here he is in following census :

1891 : 21, Halford Lane, Smethwick, Staffs
Thomas Banner, 43, Shopkeeper, Grocer, Born in Clent
Hannah Banner, 48, Born in West Bromwich
Ernest Banner, Son, 13, Office Boy
Alice Banner, Daur, 10, Scholar
Annie Banner, Daur, 17, Born in Handsworth
Others Born in Smethwick

1901 : 40 Westfield Road, Smethwick, Staffs
Thomas Henry Banner, 52, Retired Publican, Born in Clent
Hannah Banner, 58, Born in West Bromwich
Annie Eliza Banner, Daur, 26, Born in Handsworth
Others Born in Smethwick

Found some information on Ancestry Tree and have contacted the tree owner to see if she has the Derby marriage. She has Thomas's father as Thomas, but no mother

Thomas Banner born 1847 in Clent married Elizabeth Gibbs, 1873 in West Bromwich
Not on West Midlands BMD so likely to be in Handsworth. Will add to my Birmingham list

Then married Hannah Pardoe, 1886 in Derby
Marriage for Thomas Banner and Hannah Pardoe - March Qtr 1886 - Derby District

Possible Birth for Thomas Henry Banner : Dec Qtr 1846 - Bromsgrove District
Possible Birth for Jane Banner : June Qtr 1853 - Bromsgrove District

Witnesses at the marriage of John and Sarah are James (Bache??) and Ann Green (X). I wonder if Ann is Sarah's sister and James might be James Banner - it was a very unclear copy

[Northern Lass]

Thanks for adding that
I have added in father for John James based on marriage
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... mes-Family

Will flag now to archive

[minishant1]

Hi again

I've been doing a bit more research into John's family going further back; would it be fairly accurate to assume the following information relates to John's father's family?:

Here are all the baptisms of the children of John James and Sarah at St KENELMS Romley
Children Ann,Sarah,Charlotte,Mary, Richard, Martha, RJohn,William

Census for family in Romley

1851 England Census
about William James
Name: William James
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Son
Father's name: John James
Mother's name: Sarah James
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Romsley
Ecclesiastical parish: Romsley
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Bromsgrove
Sub-registration district: Bromsgrove
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
John James 64
Sarah James 60
Sarah James 33
William James 16
Maria James 12


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2047; Folio: 573; Page: 2; GSU roll: 87456-87457.


1841 England Census
about William James
Name: William James
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Gender: Male
Where born: Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Hales Owen
Hundred: Brimstree (Hales Owen Division)
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub-registration district: Halesowen
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John James 50
Sarah James 50
Richard James 9
William James 6
Maria James 3



Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 923; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Hales Owen; County: Shropshire; Enumeration District: 10a; Folio: 9; Page: 17; Line: 20; GSU roll: 474590.

Mini

[Northern Lass]

Do you mean this John James

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... mes-Family

how do you know that this John James belongs to that family?

[minishant1]

Trusting Antie Em on that as she did the webpage, but there is information given earlier on in this thread at John's birth/baptism record that his father was also called John and that he was a farmer. The family is definitely correct from Alice James' marriage to Francis Bunce to John b. 1826, her father and his wife, Sarah James nee Green.

Cheers.

Mini

[Northern Lass]

Trusting Antie Em on that as she did the webpage, but there is information given earlier on in this thread at John's birth/baptism record that his father was also called John and that he was a farmer. The family is definitely correct from Alice James' marriage to Francis Bunce to John b. 1826, her father and his wife, Sarah James nee Green.

Cheers.

Mini

But the ones you have posted are for a Wm James b 1835 on 1851

the John James we have is b 1826
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... mes-Family

we have his marriage to Sarah Greene

and we know his father is John a farmer

Where is the bapt for JOhn James?

does it say mother sarah?

[minishant1]

Hi Northern Lass

Sorry, it was the marriage information I got the Farmer bit from : Here's the St Thomas Marriage
9 April 1849 - St Thomas, Dudley
John James, 23, Bachelor, Stock Taker, of Dudley, Father John James, Farmer
Sarah Green (X), 21, Spinster, of Dudley, Father Joseph Green (Dec) Sinker
Witnesses : James (Bache??) and Ann Green (X) The Census information I got based on the area they all seem to have been around at the time and the William information is based on earlier information that a John and a Sarah were his parents, in that area. Not sure if it's correct or not, that's why I wondered if I could maybe get verification from here. I intend to contact Dudley Council to see if they can help, but I'm not sure what exactly to ask for at this point.

Mini

[Jimmy]

Extracted.JOHN JAMES.
Christening, 23 APR 1826, Saint Kenelms, Romsley, Worcester.
Parents:
JOHN JAMES.
SARAH.

[Northern Lass]

Any other bapts for kids for a John and Sarah
and does it say farmer on that bapt?

would need checking
probably at Dudley archives. St Kenelms

on the census what is occupation of that JOhn snr

[linell]

Hi Northern Lass

Sorry, it was the marriage information I got the Farmer bit from : Here's the St Thomas Marriage
9 April 1849 - St Thomas, Dudley
John James, 23, Bachelor, Stock Taker, of Dudley, Father John James, Farmer
Sarah Green (X), 21, Spinster, of Dudley, Father Joseph Green (Dec) Sinker
Witnesses : James (Bache??) and Ann Green (X) The Census information I got based on the area they all seem to have been around at the time and the William information is based on earlier information that a John and a Sarah were his parents, in that area. Not sure if it's correct or not, that's why I wondered if I could maybe get verification from here. I intend to contact Dudley Council to see if they can help, but I'm not sure what exactly to ask for at this point.

Mini

Hi Mini, Dudley Council can't help you, you need Worcester Record Office, St Kenelm's Parish Registers are held there, some of them are missing though HTH Linell.

[linell]

There are a few on here, but there is no way of knowing if it is your John James or not, does not give occupations unfortunately:-


Baptisms 19 Aug 1810 JAMES John Worcestershire Dudley Father Surname
2 Baptisms 31 Oct 1792 JAMES Ann Worcestershire Bromsgrove Father Surname
3 Baptisms 31 Oct 1792 JAMES Ann Worcestershire Bromsgrove Father Surname
4 Baptisms 30 Oct 1796 JAMES Hannah Worcestershire Bromsgrove Father Surname
5 Baptisms 11 May 1803 JAMES John Worcestershire Bromsgrove Father Surname
6 Baptisms 30 Oct 1796 JAMES Hannah Worcestershire Bromsgrove Father Surname
7 Baptisms 11 May 1803 JAMES John Worcestershire Bromsgrove Father Surname
8 Baptisms 30 Jul 1809 JAMES John Worcestershire Bromsgrove Father Surname

[minishant1]

OK Thanks to all who have helped me, it's greatly appreciated. Haven't had a response to the email I sent to Dudley but will now contact Worcester Record Office to see what I can dig up there.

Thanks again

Mini