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How good is that?
On my family Tree I have a note - Eliza owned a pub at Whiteheathgate called 'The Vine' after her marriage to Henry Whitehouse

Eliza's mother was Deborah Taylor b1802 R/R, she died in 1858 - the same year that Eliza married
I also have Henry Whitehouse's parents as William and Anne Taylor (I need to double check this) if correct, I wonder if they were related?

Great stuff..thank you all

mallosa wrote:How good is that?
On my family Tree I have a note - Eliza owned a pub at Whiteheathgate called 'The Vine' after her marriage to Henry Whitehouse

Eliza's mother was Deborah Taylor b1802 R/R, she died in 1858 - the same year that Eliza married
I also have Henry Whitehouse's parents as William and Anne Taylor (I need to double check this) if correct, I wonder if they were related?

Great stuff..thank you all

I am just a bit worried about William being a Bricklayer in 41 and 51 could do with this family on later census up until son Henry gets married.....Mally when did his parents have the pub?
Was it on the marr certi?
I have put it down as a look up to see what father William did and the witnesses

wot do you guys think could it be the same family - ie the same Henry!

I dont have the marriage cert for Henry & Eliza but the following info was passed on to me from Mark (Aust)

Edward Dyas (correspondence) ancestor, Eliza Evans had married into the Whitehouse family, who were also Black Country publicans.
They owned the Vine at Whiteheath Gate and the Bush at Coombeswood, as well as another pub in Tipton.

If you could do that look up NL, I'd really appreciate it

Ta chuck

I deffo think that we have 2 Henry Whitehouses here with fathers William...or.....

at least the Henry Whitehouse who married Eliza Evans his father is a nailer not a publican.

On the 1861 census Black heath Rowley regis
William Whitehouse h m 60 nailer Tipton
Ann Whitehouse w 49 dressmaker Rowley
Mary dau 19
Sarah dau 16
Eliza dau 14

so this is the same lot as on Connections in 1851 he was a Bricklayer there...so he could change to publican later on suppose but need to see wot the father of that henry is in 1858 marriage

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =458445267


so gonna archive pending look up

Ok bringing this back to discuss it cos we need some census look ups from 1861 please guys....

So we had 2 Henry Whitehouses it turns out that we only need one of them the other is redundant!

Henry Whitehouse son of William Whitehouse the brick layer - married Eliza Evans dau of Joseph Evans a rivet maker in 1861.

So we need to find out if both Joseph EVans and William Whitehouse become publicans later on which would then tie in with info Mally rec'd from a researcher....so here is the link...

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =143968592

and off we go guys..

just found this submitted


Henry WHITEHOUSE
Birth: 16 Feb 1838
Rowley Regis, Staffs., England

Father: William WHITEHOUSE
Mother: Ann TAYLOR

Spouse: Eliza EVANS
Marriage: 27 Sep 1858
St. Thomas's, Dudley, Worcs., England

henry was a briklayer in 1881 as well

White Heath Cakemore, Worcester

Henry WHITEHOUSE 43 Rowley, Stafford, Brick Layer
Eliza WHITEHOUSE 42 Rowley, Stafford, Brick Layer Wife
Deborah WHITEHOUSE 22 Rowley, Stafford, Domestic
William WHITEHOUSE 17 Rowley, Stafford, Labourer
Eliza WHITEHOUSE 14 Rowley, Stafford, Domestic Servant
Edwin WHITEHOUSE 12 Rowley, Stafford, Scholar
Enoch WHITEHOUSE 10 Rowley, Stafford, Scholar
Ruth WHITEHOUSE 8 Rowley, Stafford, Scholar
Thomas WHITEHOUSE 4 Rowley, Stafford, Scholar
Frederick WHITEHOUSE 1 Rowley, Stafford,

So are the 2 Taylors sisters we had this raised before....Deborah who married Joseph and Ann who married William

found this

extracted

DEBORAH TAYLOR
Birth: 1802
Christening: 10 AUG 1806 Rowley Regis, Stafford,

Mother: PHEBE TAYLOR

and this


ANN TAYLOR
Christening: 01 MAY 1805 Old Swinford, Worcester, England

Mother: PHOEBE TAYLOR


there 3 more but there for phebe and a john taylor

JOSEPH TAYLOR Christening: 08 JAN 1797 Old Swinford, Worcester,

MARY TAYLOR Christening: 09 DEC 1798 Old Swinford, Worcester,

THOMAS TAYLOR Christening: 07 SEP 1794 Old Swinford, Worcester,

1891: Whiteheath - Vine Inn

Henry Whitehouse 54 H Widower Lic Victualler R/R Staffs
Edwin Whitehouse 22
Ruth Whitehouse 18
Thomas Whitehouse 15
Frederick J T Whitehouse 11

you got you pub mally the 1881 census backs it up with kids names and ages



any of the kids running these in 1891 or 1901 census ?

They owned the Vine at Whiteheath Gate and the Bush at Coombeswood, as well as another pub in Tipton.

Result that!
nice one

here deborah poss marriage


WHITEHOUSE Deborah HADLEY Albert 1881 Dudley, St Thomas


too many williams and eliza to find a poss marriage

but did notice this ?

WHITEHOUSE Eliza DYAS William 1887 Rowley Regis, St Giles


two enochs

WHITEHOUSE Enoch DEELEY Norah 1887 Rowley Regis, St Giles

and this

WHITEHOUSE Enoch BROUGH Martha 1888 Great Wyrley, St Mark

peterd wrote:here deborah poss marriage


WHITEHOUSE Deborah HADLEY Albert 1881 Dudley, St Thomas


too many williams and eliza to find a poss marriage

but did notice this ?

WHITEHOUSE Eliza DYAS William 1887 Rowley Regis, St Giles

hang on which Deborah Pete?

henry and eliza deborah see 1881 census