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Re: The Mystery of Edwin Toy & Ellen Walford
Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:36 pm
by NickToye
Yeah I read that too somewhere.
I'm hoping though to setup a meeting with my Great Aunt who was the granddaughter of Edwin and Ellen. She may be able to shed some light.
Re: The Mystery of Edwin Toy & Ellen Walford
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:16 am
by Maths girl
NickToye wrote:dianel wrote:In 1901 on the census, Ellen Toye appears to be in an institution of some sort at Wordsley - probably the Workhouse:
Ellen Toye Widow 49 General Servant Domestic b. Kidderminster
Well this is something I haven't found before. Ellen was made a widow. The age is right for my Ellen Toy (nee Walford). I'm going to add this as a fact.
But why can't I find any evidence for Edwin dying, and why do I find evidence of a closely matched Edwin living in 1901 and 1911? Maybe Ellen put down Widow because Edwin cheated on her and she wanted him to be dead.
Interesting, thanks very much.
It could be that he had cheated on her /she left him for some reason and that the workhouse wouldn't have taken her in if she had said she was married and therefore had a husband "to support her"
Re: The Mystery of Edwin Toy & Ellen Walford
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:42 am
by NickToye
I wonder if I could get some information about this workhouse.
Re: The Mystery of Edwin Toy & Ellen Walford
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:52 am
by NickToye
I think I will need to get in touch with the Staffs Record Office for some more information about Wordsley Workhouse.
Re: The Mystery of Edwin Toy & Ellen Walford
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:52 pm
by linell
This must be Ellen in Lower Quinton 1881, born Kidderminster:-
Edwin TOY Head M Male 20 Quinton, Worcester, England Bricklayer
Ellen TOY Wife M Female 23 Kidderminster, Worcester, England Polisher (Artizan)
Thomas HAYCOCK Boarder W Male 69 Quinton, Worcester, England Nailer
John HAYCOCK Boarder U Male 24 Castle, Worcester, England Postman
HTH Linell.
Re: The Mystery of Edwin Toy & Ellen Walford
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:23 pm
by Jimmy
Re: The Mystery of Edwin Toy & Ellen Walford
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:28 pm
by Jimmy
1861. Clensmore Yard, Kidderminster.
Thomas Walford 45. Hand loom carpet weaver.
Mary Ann Walford 43.
Eliza Walford 14.
Albert Walford 8.
Elizabeth Walford 6.
Ellen Walford 4.
All born Kidderminster.
Re: The Mystery of Edwin Toy & Ellen Walford
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:58 pm
by NickToye
I also have:
1871. Kempsey, Worcestershire
John Walford 42
Caroline Walford 40
John Walford 22
Herbert Walford 19
Ellen Walford 18
Harriet Walford 16
William Walford 14
Frederick Walford 11
Walter Walford 9
Jane Walford 5
Re: The Mystery of Edwin Toy & Ellen Walford
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:31 pm
by Jimmy
NickToye wrote:I also have:
1871. Kempsey, Worcestershire
John Walford 42
Caroline Walford 40
John Walford 22
Herbert Walford 19
Ellen Walford 18
Harriet Walford 16
William Walford 14
Frederick Walford 11
Walter Walford 9
Jane Walford 5
The one you was born in Kempsey, not Kidderminster.
Re: The Mystery of Edwin Toy & Ellen Walford
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:44 pm
by NickToye
Yes I know, wasnt sure if they were close, because some birth places vary from census to census.
I''m guessing this Kempsey one then is not the same one and I can discount it.
Re: The Mystery of Edwin Toy & Ellen Walford
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:51 pm
by Jimmy
Kempsey is about 20 miles from Kidderminster.
Re: The Mystery of Edwin Toy & Ellen Walford
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:53 pm
by NickToye
20 miles isn't that far though. I live 20 miles from where I was brought up. Anyway, think this is safe to assume its not the same people.
Thanks
Re: The Mystery of Edwin Toy & Ellen Walford
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:53 pm
by Jimmy
1871. Clensmore Lane Kidderminster.
Mary Walford 54. Widow. Annuatant.
Ellen Walford 14.
Re: The Mystery of Edwin Toy & Ellen Walford
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:58 pm
by NickToye
Jimmy wrote:1871. Clensmore Lane Kidderminster.
Mary Walford 54. Widow. Annuatant.
Ellen Walford 14.
Hmm, but I have her as about 18 in 1871.
Re: The Mystery of Edwin Toy & Ellen Walford
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:06 pm
by Jimmy
linell wrote:This must be Ellen in Lower Quinton 1881, born Kidderminster:-
Edwin TOY Head M Male 20 Quinton, Worcester, England Bricklayer
Ellen TOY Wife M Female 23 Kidderminster, Worcester, England Polisher (Artizan)
Thomas HAYCOCK Boarder W Male 69 Quinton, Worcester, England Nailer
John HAYCOCK Boarder U Male 24 Castle, Worcester, England Postman
HTH Linell.
1881 born about 1857.Jimmy wrote:1861. Clensmore Yard, Kidderminster.
Thomas Walford 45. Hand loom carpet weaver.
Mary Ann Walford 43.
Eliza Walford 14.
Albert Walford 8.
Elizabeth Walford 6.
Ellen Walford 4.
All born Kidderminster.
1861and 1871. born about 1857.