ARC TBC - The Mystery of Edwin Toy & Ellen Walford

[NickToye]

Yeah I read that too somewhere.

I'm hoping though to setup a meeting with my Great Aunt who was the granddaughter of Edwin and Ellen. She may be able to shed some light.

[Maths girl]

In 1901 on the census, Ellen Toye appears to be in an institution of some sort at Wordsley - probably the Workhouse:

Ellen Toye Widow 49 General Servant Domestic b. Kidderminster

Well this is something I haven't found before. Ellen was made a widow. The age is right for my Ellen Toy (nee Walford). I'm going to add this as a fact.

But why can't I find any evidence for Edwin dying, and why do I find evidence of a closely matched Edwin living in 1901 and 1911? Maybe Ellen put down Widow because Edwin cheated on her and she wanted him to be dead.

Interesting, thanks very much.

It could be that he had cheated on her /she left him for some reason and that the workhouse wouldn't have taken her in if she had said she was married and therefore had a husband "to support her"

[NickToye]

I wonder if I could get some information about this workhouse.

[NickToye]

I think I will need to get in touch with the Staffs Record Office for some more information about Wordsley Workhouse.

[linell]

This must be Ellen in Lower Quinton 1881, born Kidderminster:-

Edwin TOY Head M Male 20 Quinton, Worcester, England Bricklayer
Ellen TOY Wife M Female 23 Kidderminster, Worcester, England Polisher (Artizan)
Thomas HAYCOCK Boarder W Male 69 Quinton, Worcester, England Nailer
John HAYCOCK Boarder U Male 24 Castle, Worcester, England Postman


HTH Linell.

[Jimmy]

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html ... idge.shtml

[Jimmy]

1861. Clensmore Yard, Kidderminster.
Thomas Walford 45. Hand loom carpet weaver.
Mary Ann Walford 43.
Eliza Walford 14.
Albert Walford 8.
Elizabeth Walford 6.
Ellen Walford 4.

All born Kidderminster.

[NickToye]

I also have:

1871. Kempsey, Worcestershire
John Walford 42
Caroline Walford 40
John Walford 22
Herbert Walford 19
Ellen Walford 18
Harriet Walford 16
William Walford 14
Frederick Walford 11
Walter Walford 9
Jane Walford 5

[Jimmy]

I also have:

1871. Kempsey, Worcestershire
John Walford 42
Caroline Walford 40
John Walford 22
Herbert Walford 19
Ellen Walford 18
Harriet Walford 16
William Walford 14
Frederick Walford 11
Walter Walford 9
Jane Walford 5

The one you was born in Kempsey, not Kidderminster.

[NickToye]

Yes I know, wasnt sure if they were close, because some birth places vary from census to census.

I''m guessing this Kempsey one then is not the same one and I can discount it.

[Jimmy]

Kempsey is about 20 miles from Kidderminster.

[NickToye]

20 miles isn't that far though. I live 20 miles from where I was brought up. Anyway, think this is safe to assume its not the same people.

Thanks

[Jimmy]

1871. Clensmore Lane Kidderminster.
Mary Walford 54. Widow. Annuatant.
Ellen Walford 14.

[NickToye]

1871. Clensmore Lane Kidderminster.
Mary Walford 54. Widow. Annuatant.
Ellen Walford 14.

Hmm, but I have her as about 18 in 1871.

[Jimmy]

This must be Ellen in Lower Quinton 1881, born Kidderminster:-

Edwin TOY Head M Male 20 Quinton, Worcester, England Bricklayer
Ellen TOY Wife M Female 23 Kidderminster, Worcester, England Polisher (Artizan)
Thomas HAYCOCK Boarder W Male 69 Quinton, Worcester, England Nailer
John HAYCOCK Boarder U Male 24 Castle, Worcester, England Postman


HTH Linell.

1881 born about 1857.

1861. Clensmore Yard, Kidderminster.
Thomas Walford 45. Hand loom carpet weaver.
Mary Ann Walford 43.
Eliza Walford 14.
Albert Walford 8.
Elizabeth Walford 6.
Ellen Walford 4.

All born Kidderminster.

1861and 1871. born about 1857.