Chance family- For member Keith

[peterd]

here the marriage

CHANCE John MCDONALD Honor 1857 Brierley Hill, St John

[Northern Lass]

bet the father on that is a James Chance miner deceased.

Can anyone find them on the census to confirm this Johns age?

[peterd]

you win and mother hannah

JOHN CHANCE
Christening: 17 AUG 1834 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,

JAMES CHANCE
HANNAH

brothers?

WILLIAM CHANCE
Birth: 11 JAN 1840
Christening: 02 FEB 1840 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,

JAMES CHANCE
HANNAH

THOMAS CHANCE
Christening: 11 MAR 1838 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,

JAMES CHANCE
HANNAH

[Northern Lass]

hmm wonder why not James on that marriage but John?

but then I have found loads of vicars errors on marriage look ups. loads!!
so we will see!
when I do that look up

[peterd]

there must be a john or james with hannah on 41,51 cesus with at least 3 kids poss john c 1834 william c 1839/40 thomas c 1838 ?

[Northern Lass]

no there aint cos he died by 1846 so there! read BCC!

[peterd]

well there still be hannah with kids

[Northern Lass]

Yes we got her with the kids. 1851. On BCC

[peterd]

and james is there with kids but youve not entered thomas

1841 Netherton Hill
James 40 miner?
Hannah 40
Mary 15 nailer
Sarah 13
Thurza 9
John 8
Thomas 4
William 1 1/4
all born in County

[Keith]

Phew, you “guys and galls” are sure busy bees on this site!
Many thanks for all the input from every one involved.
I have enclosed all that I have on my database: Not sure if this enclosure is too much for this site. I can send to anyone who wants it via Pdf file if required.

Descendants of James Chance
Generation No. 1
1. JAMES1 CHANCE was born Abt. 1801. He married HANNAH Abt. 1826. She was born Abt. 1801 in
Netherton, Dudley. Worcestershire.
Notes for JAMES CHANCE:
Re 1841 Census:
As from original census document:
Dudley, Worcester.
Netherton Hill, Dudley.
James Chance Age: 40 Occupation: Miner
Hannah 40
Mary 15 Nailer
Sarah 13 Nailer
Thirza 9
John 8
Thomas 4
William 15 months
More About JAMES CHANCE:
Census: 1841, Dudley, Worcester
Notes for HANNAH:
Re information recorded from 1851 Census (re S&N Date CD) as follows:
1851 Census
Upper Netherton
Hannah Chance Head Marr: Widow Age: 50 Occ: Nailer Born:
Netherton, Dudley. Worcester
John Son U 15 Miner
Netherton, Dudley. Worcester
Thomas Son U 13 Miner
Netherton, Dudley. Worcester
William Son 11 Fire Iron Maker
Netherton, Dudley. Worcester
Mary Round G/dau 3
Netherton, Dudley.
William Bould Lodger U 45 Brick maker
Worcester
More About HANNAH:
Census: 1851, Upper Netherton, St. Andrew. Dudley
More About JAMES CHANCE and HANNAH:
Marriage: Abt. 1826
Children of JAMES CHANCE and HANNAH are:
i. MARY2 CHANCE, b. Abt. 1826, Dudley, Worcester.
ii. SARAH CHANCE, b. Abt. 1828, Dudley, Worcester.
iii. THIRZA CHANCE, b. Abt. 1832, Dudley, Worcester.
iv. JOHN CHANCE, b. Abt. 1836, Dudley, Worcester.
Notes for JOHN CHANCE:
Re information recorded from S&N 1851 data CD as follows:
Upper Netherton
Living with mother Hannah Chance
John Chance Unmarried Age: 15 Occ: Miner Born: Netherton, Dudley
2
We found the following in the 1901 Census, but don't know if he is the correct John:
Civil Parish of Rowley Regis, Bedfordshire.
Ecc Parish: Holy Regis
John Chance Head Age: 66 Occupation: Collery Labourer above ground Born:Netherton.
Ester Dau 32 Netherton
Julia Annie Dau 25 Old Hill,
Staffordshire
More About JOHN CHANCE:
Census: 1851, St. Andrew, Dudley
v. THOMAS CHANCE, b. Abt. 1838, Dudley, Worcester.
Notes for THOMAS CHANCE:
Information recorded from 1851 S&N Data CD as follows:
Thomas Chance living with mother Hannah Chance
Thomas Chance Unmarried Age: 13 Occ: Miner Born: Netherton, Dudley
More About THOMAS CHANCE:
Census: 1851, St. Andrew. Dudley
2. vi. WILLIAM JAMES CHANCE, b. Abt. 1840, Netherton, Dudley. Worcestershire.
Generation No. 2
2. WILLIAM JAMES2 CHANCE (JAMES1) was born Abt. 1840 in Netherton, Dudley. Worcestershire. He
married ELLEN.
Notes for WILLIAM JAMES CHANCE:
Re 1841 Census:
William was declared with his parents in Dudley age 1.25 years old
Information recorded from S&N Data CD 1851 Census as follows:
Superintendents Registrar's District: Dudley
Registrar's District: Dudley
Parish/ Town: St. Andrews
Address:
Upper Netherton
Hannah Chance Head Marr: Widow Age: 50 Occ: Nailer Born: Netherton, Dudley.
Worcester
John Son 15 Miner Netherton.
Thomas Son 13 Miner Netherton.
William Son Age: 11 Occ: Fire Iron Maker Born: Netherton, Dudley.
Mary Round G/dau 3 Netherton.
William Bould Lodger U 45 Brick maker Worcester
3
Information from original census document:
1861 Census
PRO ref No: RG 9 Piece: 2061 Page: 47 Schedule: 248
Ecclesiastical District of St. Andrews
Parliamentary Borough of Dudley, Worcester
Dwelling: Netherton Hill
William Chance Lodger Marr: M age 21 Occ: Horse nail maker
Born:Netherton, Worcester
Ellen Wife M 19
Brierly Hill, Stafford.
Ellen Dau 5 months
Netherton, Worcester
1881 Census
Film: 1341699
Folio: 50
Page: 13
Dwelling: 34 Blockhouse Street.
Census Place: Worcester Blockhouse, Worcester
William Chance head M Occ: Horse nail maker age: 41 Birthplace: Dudley, Worcester
Ellen wife Char woman 40 Brierly Hill,
Worcester
Ellen dau single Paste fitter (boot) 20 Dudley, Worcester
Hannah dau single Paste fitter (boot) 18 Dudley, Worcester
Mary dau single Japanner 16 Dudley, Worcester
Thursa dau single Scholar 8 Worcester
Ethel P. Price G/dau 1 month Worcester,
Worcester
1891 Census:
Film number 6097435
Fiche 3
Page 1 Sched: 6
Address: Temperance Street, Blockhouse. Worcester
William Chance Head Marr: M Sex: M Age: 51 Occupation:Tradesman porter Born: Dudley
Worcester
Ellen Wife M F 50 Brierley
Hill, Staffordshire
Thursa Dau U F 18 Gloveress Worcester
Archie Son U M 9
Worcester
Thomas Son U M 6
Worcester
Louisa Mason Lodger U F 20
Worcester
Note: according to the marriage certificate of Thuza and Henry Smith, 1893 Thurza lived at number 7
Temperance Street, Blockhouse.
4
Re 1901 Census as follows:
Civil Parish: Worcester
Thurza parish: St Paul
Ward of Minicple Borough: All Saints
PRO Ref: RG 13 Piece: 2778 Page: 23 Folio: 46
Address: 7 Blockhouse Street.
William Chance Head Age: 61 Occupation: Iron Mongers Porter Born: Netherton, Dudley.
Worcester
Ellen Wife 60 Brierley Hill, Staffordshire.
Thomas Son 16 Canister maker Worcester
More About WILLIAM JAMES CHANCE:
Census: 1851, St. Andrew, Dudley
Notes for ELLEN:
Re BMD:
We found a marriage of the following, but have not confirmed:
William Chance married Ellen Downes 6c 55 June Quarter 1860
This fits but must get cert of birth of Mary of one of the other children.
Re 1861 Census:
Ellen was recorded with husband at Netherton Hill, Dudley. Worcestershire age 19 years old
Re 1881 Census:
Ellen was recorded with husband at 24 Blockhouse Street Worcester. age 40 years old
Re 1891 Census:
Ellen was recorded with husband at Temperance Street, Blockhouse. Worcester age 50 years old.
Re 1901 Census:
Ellen was recorded with husband and son at 7 Blockhouse Street, St. Paul's Worcester
Ellen's age was 60 years old
More About ELLEN:
Census: 1901, 7 Blockhouse, St. Paul, Worcester
Children of WILLIAM CHANCE and ELLEN are:
i. ELLEN3 CHANCE, b. Abt. 1861.
Notes for ELLEN CHANCE:
Re 1861 Census:
Ellen was recorded with her parents at Netherton Hill, Dudley. age 5 months old
Re 1881 Census:
Ellen was recorded with her parents in 34 Blockhouse Street, Worcester. Age 20, occupation Paste fitter
(boot)
More About ELLEN CHANCE:
Census: 1861, Netherton Hill , Dudley. Worcestershire
ii. HANNAH CHANCE, b. Abt. 1863.
Notes for HANNAH CHANCE:
Re 1881 Census:
5
Hannah was recorded with her parents at Blockhouse Street, Worcester. Age 18 years old. Occupation
was Paste Fitter ( boot)
More About HANNAH CHANCE:
Census: 1881, 34 Blockhouse Street. Worcester, England
3. iii. MARY CHANCE, b. Abt. 1865, Dudley, Worcestershire; d. Abt. 1941, 26 Spring Gardens, Whistones.
Worcester.
4. iv. THURSA CHANCE, b. Abt. 1873, Worcester. () I have been told by another researcher that Thursa lived in India. I have a photo of her there
v. ARCHIE CHANCE, b. Abt. 1882, Worcester, England.
Notes for ARCHIE CHANCE:
Re 1891 Census:
Archie was recorded with his parents Temperance Street, Worcester age 9 years old
More About ARCHIE CHANCE:
Census: 1891, Temperance Street, Blockhouse. Worcester, England
vi. THOMAS CHANCE, b. Abt. 1885, Worcester, England.
Notes for THOMAS CHANCE:
Re 1891 Census:
Thomas was recorded with his parents at 7 Blockhouse Street, St. Paul's. Worcester. Age 16 years old
and Occupation Canister maker
More About THOMAS CHANCE:
Census: 1901, 7 Blockhouse, St. Paul, Worcester
Generation No. 3
3. MARY3 CHANCE (WILLIAM JAMES2, JAMES1) was born Abt. 1865 in Dudley, Worcestershire, and died Abt.
1941 in 26 Spring Gardens, Whistones. Worcester. She married ALFRED PRICE Abt. 1880 in Worcester,
England., son of JOHN PRICE and SUSAN. He was born Abt. 1861 in Worcester. England, and died Abt. 1942
in York Place, Worcester.
Notes for MARY CHANCE:
Born abt 1865. We have found on BMD 6c 122 December quarter 1860
Re Census 1881:
Mary was with her parents at 34 Blockhouse Street, Worcester Age 16. Occupation was Paste Fitter
( boot). Also she was declared as unmarried but we think that she should have been. There was a grand child
called Ethel P. Price age 1 month also at the address.
Ethel P. Price BMD 6c 309 June quarter 1881
Re 1891 Census:
Mary was recorded with the family and husband at 65 Northfield Street, Worcester. Age 27 years old.
Re 1901 Census:
Mary was recorded with her husband and children at Moor Street, Whistones, Worcester. No house number was recorded
Regards

Keith in Oz
Researching:
Worcester: Price, Tyler, Clayton, Darke, Chance, Weaver, Yates. Ditchfield
Hallow/Grimley area: Freeman, Yarranton, Underwood, Sampson, Hoddy, Goodyear.
Davis
Bromyard: Sampson, Sanson, Shanson, Webb
Gloucester: Davis
Stafford: Ditchfield, Bates
Pembroke Dock: Davies
Ireland, Dublin: Nolan, Hickey
Jan & Keith Price, Worcester born, now marooned in Tropical Queensland, Australia

[Northern Lass]

Need to check out that marriage for John and Honour at brierley hill and then can anyone see if this is the same John
John was wit with Honor at his mothers wedding to Edward Downes so if this lot below have mother Honour we can add em.

1901 censusJohn Chance Head Age: 66 Occupation: Collery Labourer above ground Born:Netherton.
Ester Dau 32 Netherton
Julia Annie Dau 25 Old Hill,
Staffordshire


so any prev census with these kids and wife honor and we can tie em up.

or bapts or anything that ties em to John Chance.

[Northern Lass]

Ok have updated the tree Keith and put your name on to the main lines if you would like it attached to the sibs of Mary let me know or add it yourself once you start adding your connections.


http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... d=1025&g=1

if you would like to send me that photo of Thurza we can put that on too!

It would be great to get any other names of yours on the tree too.
You only need one ancestor to have been in the Black country or area and as long as the descendants or ancestors of that entry connect they can come from further afield and can go on the tree. So your Worcester ones could go on!

[dianel]

Back to James and Hannah's children - there are also these christenings on the IGI as extracted entries:
Parents, James and Hannah:
HENRY CHANCE - Christening: 14 NOV 1830 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England
RUTH CHANCE - Christening: 17 DEC 1826 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England
SARAH CHANCE - Christening: 08 MAR 1829 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England
THIRZA CHANCE - Christening: 19 MAY 1833 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England

A Thirza CHANCE, born about 1832, married William GARRATT 1849
(Free BMD - Marriages
Tirzah Chance 1849 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
William Garrat 1849 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire)

[Northern Lass]

nice one Di

will add that info to the tree.

Will do the marriage look up on Hannah Beddall and then bring this back if necessary

So unless otherwise advised this topic will be archived shortly

[Northern Lass]

Ok bringing this back as I have now done the look up at the archives.

Very interesting.... the name John is incorrect and is indeed James.
The vicar obviously put John for the name but then put James in where the guy has to make his mark.
So I have updated the Connections tree and will archive this shortly..

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =935268985