Family of Henry Harris (b 1816, m Phoebe Raybould 1839

[linell]

I thought this could be your John Chris:-

11 APR 1784 Halesowen, Worcester, England

Parents:
Father: JOHN HARRIS Family
Mother: MARY

As you say there were at least two John Harris. Yours lived in Upper End (which is now Overend) when the children were baptised. The other John and Mary were in Colley Gate. They could have been John's Parents, there is a Cradley burial for a John Harris in 1802. Maybe John Jnr moved up to Colley Gate which is only up the road, after the death of his parents? The two addresses are confusing. HTH from Linell.

[Northern Lass]

Ok Clent marriage

24 June 1811 St Leonard Clent
John Harris bach of the parish of Rowley Regis
and
Mary X Chandler wid ots
by banns
Wit - John X Weston / Jephthah Craddock ( he is on a few)

Ok added the children we know of
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... nd=5324555

so that Mary Chandler is a wid

[chrisg]

Yes to Henry's baptism 12 Jan 1817 Cradley.

Clent marriage - I think we need to find Mary's marriage to unknown Chandler then hopefully find Mary's baptism around 1786.

If John Jnr is 1784 Halesowen, the his parents (John and Mary Smith?) may be the Halesowen marriage 27 May 1780. There is also a baptism for a Thomas Harris of John and Mary 7th July 1782, who may be John jnr's brother.

You've obviously got access to a lot more sources than I have, which is a big help. It is very difficult when dealing with a fairly common name like Harris and very common names like John and Mary - give me an Ephraim any day!

[linell]

<LOL> Chris, we all pray for an EPHRAIM OR A BENDIGO

Linell.

[kdw]

From Halesowen parish Reg
29 May 1780 St Johns Halesowen
John Harris otp bach
Mary Smith otp spin
by PW (Vicar)
Both signed X
Wit: Benjamin Smith and Joseph Chandler
Banns

Baptisms
11 April 1874
John son of John and Mary Harris

7 July 1782
Thomas so John and Mary Harris

29 July 1784
James so John and Mary Harris

[chrisg]

The Cradley Vicars notebook is very interesting - does it mean that the children had a Baptist baptism in addition to the C of E christenings which I have found on the IGI =>

Rhoda, Sarah, Harry and Lydia at Cradley 6th July 1857
James at Cradley 5th August 1857

I haven't yet found christenings for Timothy (b Q3 1840), Josiah (b Q3 1859) or Phebe (b Q1 1864); perhaps they weren't.

Timothy is not on the 1851 census so may have died young - I have found a death registered at Stourbridge Q3 1841. Do you have access to burial records for Cradley?

Chris

[linell]

Hi Chris, the Vicar's notes were written in Latin in 1857 and have been transcribed by a couple of Cradley Researchers, so it's is a bit difficult to make sense of it in places. It looks as though Phoebe and daughter Elizabeth were the only ones to have taken the Sacrament and were strict Baptists, the other children were baptised by the Rev J.H. Thompson at St Peters C of E Church, but according to the notes they went to the Baptist Sunday School. So am not sure what was going on there, perhaps they were sent there by their Baptist Mother

I did see Henry and Phoebe with son Timothy on the 1841 Census next door to John and Mary in Colley Gate. Sorry my Parish Register only goes up to 1837. You can list the later Baptisms on the Look Up section, when someone goes to the Archives at Dudley they will look them up for you. HTH from Linell.

[kdw]

1863 Cradley Vicars notebook
Colley Lane
Harris Henry Nail, ueo = Meth the Greek word for Drunk No Church puoe= Rude
Phebe Baptist Sacrament Church Afternoons sister of John Raybould
6 Children
Elizabeth 22 nail baptist sacrament
Rhoda 20 nail ragged school seldom
Sarah 16 Nov, nurse baptist scholl
James 13 Feb chain ragged school night school
Harry 11 Oct baptist school
Lydia 9 Aug baptist school

[Northern Lass]

Chris should be joining BCC soon
but if any of this can be added in the notes etc pls do
save wasting the info

[linell]

Hi NL, have added the possible Marriage of John Harris to Mary Chandler. Think you have added all the rest:-

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =555150674

Linell.

[kdw]

Can this now be archived ?