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think this might be best in black country section so we can added to bcc ?

suneson wrote:Thanks to all - with John's middle name and the additional info from the 1901 census, I have many leads that I can now follow.

I do have 1 question. It is stated that he was a boot maker. During this period of time would a preacher have a second source of income i.e. a Wesleyan preacher and boot maker at the same time

Again, thanks to all for the information
Glenn

"My guess is the John was a Lay preacher given that they were Methodists"

Lay Preachers in the non-conformists are exactly what you describe - they have other jobs and then do a course to become a laypreacher - they can then do preaching and some other things (not sure which eg Baptism yes I think but Marriage no) like full time preachers

I understand - Thanks

peterd wrote:this is the only one i can find in 1881 that looks like him but he married


118 Halesowen St Rowley Regis, Stafford

John SHELDON 34 Dudley ?, Worcester, Shoe Maker
Eliza SHELDON 35 Birmingham, Warwick,
Eliza SHELDON 12 Dudley, Worcester, Scholar
John SHELDON 10 West Bromwich, Stafford, Scholar
Tilly SHELDON 9 West Bromwich, Stafford, Scholar
Alice SHELDON 8 Tipton, Stafford, Scholar
Louisa SHELDON 7 m Tipton, Stafford,


anyone find these in 1891 to rule them out ?

Maybe he remarried and Elsie has half brothers and sisters too!
Name: Eliza Sheldon
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 36
District: Aston (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d

You need that Marriage certificate Glenn to put solid yes or no's to these thoughts!
Page: 175

Thanks - I will try to pursue that

Glenn

Moving to BCC
Jo

peterd wrote:

suneson wrote:Thanks to all - with John's middle name and the additional info from the 1901 census, I have many leads that I can now follow.

I do have 1 question. It is stated that he was a boot maker. During this period of time would a preacher have a second source of income i.e. a Wesleyan preacher and boot maker at the same time

Again, thanks to all for the information
Glenn

glenn as Mg said Aston is not john middle name its where he was married in birmingham

if he was a lay preacher then its possible that bootmaker was his full time profession ?

Yes that is correct Glen, I had two Gt Gt Grandfather's who were Lay Preachers, plus a couple of Gt Uncles, they all had full time jobs, the preaching was just what they did in their spare time. Records for Lay Preachers are non existent, as they were only Part Time, and not really accountable to any Church Authority. The Methodist Society mentioned by Maths Girls does have records, but I am doubtfull there would be any for Lay Preachers. I have found looking and buying old Church Books is the best way forward, I have some for Halesowen, Cradley, Cradley Heath, Old Hill and Stourbridge. They are full of names and events, really interesting. HTH from Linell.

This is interesting:
1871
At High St., West Bromwich
John Sheldon Head 23 Manager of a Shoe Shop Local Preacher b. Worcs., Dudley
Elizabeth Sheldon Wife 25 b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
John Sheldon Son 9 mths b. Staffs., Westbromwich
Eliza Tingley Sister in law Unm 17 b. Worcs., Quarry Bank
Eliza Sheldon Daur 2 b. Worcs., Dudley
Sarah A Collins Visitor Mar 30 b. America
Florence Collins Visitor 5 b. Worcs., Dudley
Lucretia Collins Visitor 2 b. Worcs., Dudley
Janet Collins Visitor 1 b. Worcs., Dudley

Possible marriage
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1867
SHELDON John INGLEY Eliza Quarry Bank, Christ Church Dudley Register Office 016/001/250

Go on the Peterd do you fancy adding what we can to BCC

Can anyone add any of this to BCC if they feel it is ok the info
don't add anything you don't feel looks ok

shame to waste any info we have

peterd wrote:poss john and family

1891 52 owen st, Tipton

John Sheldon 43 Boot maker, Dudley, Worcestershire
Francese Amelia Sheldon 30 Islington, London
Joseph Sheldon 8 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Alexander Sheldon 1 Tipton, Staffordshire
Amelia Sheldon 6 Tipton, Staffordshire

carnt find them in 1901 anyone find them or 1911 ? please

peterd wrote:this is the only one i can find in 1881 that looks like him but he married


118 Halesowen St Rowley Regis, Stafford

John SHELDON 34 Dudley ?, Worcester, Shoe Maker
Eliza SHELDON 35 Birmingham, Warwick,
Eliza SHELDON 12 Dudley, Worcester, Scholar
John SHELDON 10 West Bromwich, Stafford, Scholar
Tilly SHELDON 9 West Bromwich, Stafford, Scholar
Alice SHELDON 8 Tipton, Stafford, Scholar
Louisa SHELDON 7 m Tipton, Stafford,


anyone find these in 1891 to rule them out ?

the question is are these the same john if so then where Louisa in 1881 unless she died ?


my instincts says these are the same family but will keep them separate till we get both marriage certs one look up and the other suneson going to send for


here the second lot of census for john and frances

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =164466116

first lot of census john married to elizabeth

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =215478668

dianel wrote:This is interesting:
1871
At High St., West Bromwich
John Sheldon Head 23 Manager of a Shoe Shop Local Preacher b. Worcs., Dudley
Elizabeth Sheldon Wife 25 b. Warwickshire, Birmingham
John Sheldon Son 9 mths b. Staffs., Westbromwich
Eliza Tingley Sister in law Unm 17 b. Worcs., Quarry Bank
Eliza Sheldon Daur 2 b. Worcs., Dudley
Sarah A Collins Visitor Mar 30 b. America
Florence Collins Visitor 5 b. Worcs., Dudley
Lucretia Collins Visitor 2 b. Worcs., Dudley
Janet Collins Visitor 1 b. Worcs., Dudley

sarah marriage ?

SHELDON Joseph COLLINS Sarah A 1863 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/021/280

are you waiting for look ups?
can this be archived pend look ups
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