(Completed) James Polkinghorn

[peterd]

1901, shows these three in Ulverston Union Workhouse.
Annie Polkinghorn 13.
Mary Polkinghorn 11.
John Polkinghorn 7.

Where did John come from.

Births Mar 1892.
Polkinghorn John . Bury 8c.. 614.

Births Jun 1893.
Polkinghorn John. Ulverston. 8e. 837.

steve is she the mother of john born jun 1893 that might give you some more info if she is then you could check the adress agianst electrol registers (think they go that far back ) and see who she living with

[steve.jp]

Thanks again - you guys are obviously pretty good detectives.
John was born to her in April 1893, out of wedlock. No paternal details on the birth cert., her maiden name is said to be 'schent' and she is said to be a 'housekeeper'. There is an address 'Back Queen Street' (no number) Dalton. It no longer exists. After she was widowed she must have embarked on an ill-fated relationship. I believe her intention was to find another provider for the family, but it didn't work, and she was left in a pretty desparate situation and relying on the goodwill of others.
Thanks Peter, I'll see if electoral registers exist for 1892, and maybe, I might find John's father - my great grandfather!!
I'd still like to know where she was in 1901/1911 though.
Cheers
Steve

[dianel]

John may have descendants still in Cumbria who know something?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about John Polkinghorn
Birth Date: 2 Apr 1893
Death Registration Month/Year: 1980
Registration district: Barrow-in-Furness
County: Cumbria
Volume: 1 Page: 0088

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about John Polkinghorn
Spouse Surname: Hastwell
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1918
Registration district: Ulverston
Registration county (inferred): Lancashire
Volume Number: 8e
Page Number: 1538

Agnes Hastwell Polkinghorn Jul-Aug-Sep 1918 Ulverston Lancashire

[dianel]

Oops! Sorry Steve. These are probably your own family.

[dianel]

Is it possible that Kate remarried? I couldn't find a marriage death or emigration for her so went looking for any Kate b. abt 1860 in Germany, and found this one:
1901
At "Stag Inn", Handsworth, Woodhouse, Yorks.
John W Cook Head M 49 Publican b., Derby, Staveley
Kate Cook Wife M 42 b. Germany
Harry Cook Son S 29 Bar Man b. Yorks., Woodhouse
Emily Cook Daur S 18 b. Yorks., Woodhouse
Ann Cook Daur S 15 b. Yorks., Woodhouse b. abt 1886
Mary J Pilkington Servant S 15 General Servant (Domestic) b. Staffs., Clangor

1881
At Hounsfields Yard, Woodhouse, Handsworth, Yorkshire
John Wm Cook Head Mar 29 Coal Miner b. Staveley, Derbyshire
Jemima Cook Wife Mar 27 Coal Miner's Wife b. Yorks., Handsworth, Woodhouse
Harry Cook Son 10 Scholar b. Yorks., Handsworth, Woodhouse
Ellis Cook Son 5 Scholar b. Yorks., Handsworth, Woodhouse
Edith Cook Daur 3 b. Yorks., Handsworth, Woodhouse

Death - Jemima Cook
b. abt 1854
Death - Mar 1893 - Sheffield, South Yorkshire, Yorkshire West Riding

I think Handsworth is near Sheffield?

I can't find this Cook family in 1891

[dianel]

IGI Submitted entry:
Harry Cook
b. May 1871 Woodhouse, Sheffield, Yorkshire
Father: John William Cook
Mother: Sarah Pye

IGI Submitted entries:
Ellis Cook
Birth: 14 Jul 1876 Woodhouse, Sheffield, Yorkshire
Father: John William Cook
Mother: Jemima Ellis

Edith Cook
Birth: 15 Jun 1878 Woodhouse, Sheffield, Yorkshire
Father: John William Cook
Mother: Jemima Ellis

Emily Cook
Birth: 17 May 1882 Woolhouse, Near Sheffield, Yorkshire
Father: John William Cook
Mother: Jemima

Ann Cook
Birth: 30 Aug 1885 Woodhouse, Sheffield, Yorkshire
Death 25 Jan 1942
Father: John William Cook
Mother: Jemima Ellis

Free BMD Marriage Index:
John William Cook 1870 Sheffield South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Elizabeth Padley 1870 Sheffield South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Sarah Pye 1870 Sheffield South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Harry Smith 1870 Sheffield South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding

Free BMD Marriage Index:
John William Cook 1873 Sheffield South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Jemima Ellis 1873 Sheffield South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Sarah Ann Etchells 1873 Sheffield South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Sarah Ann Ethcells 1873 Sheffield South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Joseph Smith 1873 Sheffield South Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding

[Jimmy]

Is it possible that Kate remarried? I couldn't find a marriage death or emigration for her so went looking for any Kate b. abt 1860 in Germany, and found this one:
1901
At "Stag Inn", Handsworth, Woodhouse, Yorks.
John W Cook Head M 49 Publican b., Derby, Staveley
Kate Cook Wife M 42 b. Germany
Harry Cook Son S 29 Bar Man b. Yorks., Woodhouse
Emily Cook Daur S 18 b. Yorks., Woodhouse
Ann Cook Daur S 15 b. Yorks., Woodhouse b. abt 1886
Mary J Pilkington Servant S 15 General Servant (Domestic) b. Staffs., Clangor

Death - Jemima Cook
b. abt 1854
Death - Mar 1893 - Sheffield, South Yorkshire, Yorkshire West Riding

I think Handsworth is near Sheffield?

I can't find this Cook family in 1891

Possible marriage,

Marriages Mar 1901.
BUTLER Ellen Sheffield 9c 568
Cook John William Sheffield 9c 568
RICHARDSON Henry Sheffield 9c 568
Wittmann Kate Sheffield 9c 568

[Jimmy]

1891. Sheffield.
George Wittmann 30. Pork butcher.
Kate Wittmann 33. born Germany.
Albert Wittmann 2.
Lilly Wittmann 8.
Bertha Wittmann 6.
Ethel Wittmann 4.
George Haslam 19.
Annie Birch 29.

[dianel]

Yeah, Jimmy, that looks more likely for Kate Cook.

So, back to the drawing board.

[steve.jp]

Thanks Dianel and Jimmy for that lead.
I have found a record of a kate POLKINGHORN emigrating to Boston from Liverpool on 05-Oct-1908.
There is no age/DOB listed, she is 'single' and her occupation is 'wife'(!). All that can be gleaned from that is she is likely to be an adult. There was a chap called Cecil POLKINGHORN on the same voyage, but not necessarily with her. I haven't yet found a census record (1881/1901) for him.
Can we assume they were together, or is it coincidence they were on the same voyage?
By 1908 she would have been nearly 50 years old (and having had 7 children) - she would have had to have been very spunky to contemplate that voyage to a potentially hostile place, and start again from scratch.
What do you think?
Best wishes to all for 2010.
Steve

[Jimmy]

Will this help.

Name: Cecil Polkinghorn.
Arrival Date: 16 Oct 1908.
Age: 15 Years.
Estimated birth year: abt 1893.
Gender: Male.
Ethnic Background: English.
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England.
Ship Name: Saxonia.
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts.
Last Residence: United States of America.
Microfilm Roll Number: 126.

Name: Kate Polkinghorn.
Arrival Date: 16 Oct 1908.
Age: 48 Years.
Estimated birth year: abt 1860.
Gender: Female.
Ethnic Background: English.
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England.
Ship Name: Saxonia.
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts.
Last Residence: United States of America.
Birthplace: England.
Microfilm Roll Number: 126.

[steve.jp]

Thanks a lot for that, Jimmy.
It looks as though Kate and Cecil were travelling together,and she is the right age to be my relative, but the wrong nationality.
Also I have no knowledge of Cecil as a family member, so I would have to conclude that they belong to a different Polkinghorn line.
Cheers
Steve

[peterd]

Thanks a lot for that, Jimmy.
It looks as though Kate and Cecil were travelling together,and she is the right age to be my relative, but the wrong nationality.
Also I have no knowledge of Cecil as a family member, so I would have to conclude that they belong to a different Polkinghorn line.
Cheers
Steve

it might be worth trying to find a birth for cecil as your kate became a naturilesed british so she might of drop the german

[steve.jp]

Have tried to find a birth for Cecil about 1893 (+/- 2yrs) but no matches. Also the 1901 census only lists one Cecil born 1900 in Truro, so that's not him. Also Kate is not listed as a family member.
Anyone find anything different?
The only scenario that would fit is if she had twins in 1893, registered John and absconded with 'Cecil'. It does seem unlikely and anyway she would have to provide proof of identity (for Cecil) to apply for the travel docs. for Boston.
Is it more likely that we are searching an incomplete database?
Would that also be the case for not finding her in 1901/1911 census records?
My own experience of using various search engines is that, although they are very useful tools, they are not infallable.
I can see that it's a big advantage belonging to a forum such as this, where members use different sites and use different search techniques, and unearth more useful information. So thanks everyone for your help.
Steve

[Jimmy]

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960.

It looks like they came back. But this Cecil is down as age 4. Landing at Liverpool.

Kate Polkinghorn. (housewife)
Birth Date: abt 1863.
Age: 45.
Port of Departure: Boston, Massachusetts, United States.
Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1908.
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland.
Ports of Voyage: Boston.
Ship Name: Saxonia.

Cecil Polkinghorn.
Birth Date: abt 1904.
Age: 4.
Port of Departure: Boston, Massachusetts, United States.
Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1908.
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland.
Ports of Voyage: Boston.
Ship Name: Saxonia.