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Paul-E wrote:Info found on census:

Thomas Teal Born Staffordshire Cradley
John Teal Born Cradley Worcester
Mary Ann Teal.....still checking into married name
william Teal Born Cradley Worcestershire


Pretty sure these are William & Sarahs kids.

I have just found on ancestry in someones family tree these children with parents as William Tall & Sarah Bloomer.

Will contact tree owner and see how far they have checked.

Paul

any ages with them paul

linell just a thought is there anything in those vicars note books you have on cradley about any teal/tail etc ?

mark with your parish register collection can you find any other possible william or sarah tail/teal or similar in the local area that could be poss parents to one set of christening if the other is william and sarah bloomer as it doesnt seem to be a common name for the area there christened in so should show up ?

This is the only information in the non-conformist registers at the National Archives.

Piece Description Register of Births and Baptisms at Park Lane Presbyterian Chapel in the parish of Cradley over Stourbridge, Worcestershire from 1789 to 1821
TNA Reference RG4 / Piece 2015 / Folio 97
[Chapel/Registry]
Full Name Thomas Tail
Date of Baptism 10 March 1810
Place of Baptism
Date of Birth
Place of Abode Cradley
Parish of Abode Halesowen
County of Abode Worcestershire
Registration Date
Registration Town/County Cradley, Worcestershire
Ceremony Performed by -
Godparents
Godfather
Godmother
Parents
Father William Tail
Father's Profession
Mother Sarah Tail
Mother's Maiden Name
Mother's Parish
Date of Marriage
Place of Marriage
Maternal Parents
Name(s)
Profession
Town & County
Paternal Parents
Name(s)
Profession

Piece Description Register of Births and Baptisms at Park Lane Presbyterian Chapel in the parish of Cradley over Stourbridge, Worcestershire from 1789 to 1821
TNA Reference RG4 / Piece 2015 / Folio 112
[Chapel/Registry]
Full Name William Tail
Date of Baptism 18 February 1816
Place of Baptism
Date of Birth
Place of Abode Cradley
Parish of Abode Halesowen
County of Abode Worcestershire
Registration Date
Registration Town/County Cradley, Worcestershire
Ceremony Performed by -
Godparents
Godfather
Godmother
Parents
Father William Tail
Father's Profession
Mother Sarah Tail
Mother's Maiden Name
Mother's Parish
Date of Marriage
Place of Marriage
Maternal Parents
Name(s)
Profession
Town & County
Paternal Parents
Name(s)
Profession

Looking at the physical registers.....these are not the standard layout. Each entry is written freehand with no partitions or rules columns. No information on who performed the ceremony.

They need not have had a falling out. Simply dividing the children between the two congregations might be a choice they made. I have three families (out of the 2000 or more in my tree) that have done this. So rare, but not unknown.

I am looking at the physcal registers for the other prebyterians in the area in case it is just bad indexing that makes him illusive.

I can't see anything resembling him in the non-conformist registers after looking at the actual pages, rather than the transcripts.

As for Miss Bloomer....searched for her yesterday but didn't find anything.

I was sent a new CD of registers this morning. I will have a look at that one...

Thousands of Bloomers in Rowley Regis and Halesowen...but not a single Sarah that fits.

Not many Bloomers elsewhere.

This is the registry entry for the marriage...

County Worcestershire
Place Dudley
Church St Thomas
RegisterNumber 165
MarriageDate 25 May 1809
GroomForename William
GroomSurname TALL
GroomAge
GroomParish Dudley
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Sarah
BrideSurname BLOOMER
BrideAge
BrideParish Dudley
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename
BrideFatherSurname
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename Benjamin
WitnessOneSurname HADLEY
WitnessTwoForename Mark
WitnessTwoSurname BOND
Notes Banns. Mark BOND Was The Clerk.
FileNumber 2671

Looks like Sarah may have had a sister Rebecca that she was a witness for...

County Worcestershire
Place Dudley
Church St Thomas
RegisterNumber 106
MarriageDate 20 Feb 1809
GroomForename Robert
GroomSurname WIGGINTON
GroomAge
GroomParish Dudley
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Rebecca
BrideSurname BLOOMER
BrideAge
BrideParish Dudley
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename
BrideFatherSurname
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename Frcs
WitnessOneSurname BEDDOE
WitnessTwoForename Sarah
WitnessTwoSurname BLOOMER
Notes Banns. 3rd Witness: Mark BOND (Clerk)
FileNumber 2671

Possible baptism for William (if he married at 50)

County Staffordshire
Place Wolverhampton
Church St Peters
RegisterNumber 23409
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 15 Sep 1759
Forename William
Sex M
FatherForename George
MotherForename Hannah
FatherSurname TILL
MotherSurname
Abode
FatherOccupation
Notes
FileNumber 3521

peterd wrote:linell just a thought is there anything in those vicars note books you have on cradley about any teal/tail etc ?

No there isn't Pete, already checked that, no trace of the family after the last baptism of William 1816. Paul has them in Worcester 1841. I did check for any change of Minister's, Park Lane had the same Pastor James Scott 1789 - 1827. Same Vicar for Cradley Chapel Thomas Best 1798 - 1821. I don't think we should read too much into this, the Vicar's Notebook, has plenty of instances of Cradley Families, of different faiths in the same families, as I have found with some of my Cradley Ancestors, they did Church hop Linell.

MarkCDodd wrote:Thousands of Bloomers in Rowley Regis and Halesowen...but not a single Sarah that fits.

Not many Bloomers elsewhere.

Bloomer was very much a Cradley name, so ok there is no Baptism for her, that doesn't mean she didn't exist or live there

Linell.

I just made an observation about where the Bloomers are in numbers in the Parish Registers, not where Sarah may or may not have lived.

Why read things into my posts that arn't there?

In the 1901 census, there are barely more Bloomers living in Cradley than Rowley Regis. 135 to 110.

I think I have found Sarah's family.

Father is Thomas. Mother is Ann.

Children are....

Rebekah Bloomer .... Baptised 19th December 1784 in Halesowen.

Sarah Bloomer..... Baptised 19th December 1784 in Halesowen. I wonder if they are twins?

Samuel Bloomer..... Baptised 13th December 1789 in Halesowen. Died 7th August 1790

Jane Bloomer.... Baptised 31st July 1791 in Halesowen.

Just a thought

The way they wrote "T" has regularly been transcribed as "F" and vv.

Anyone tried Fail Fill etc

MarkCDodd wrote:I think I have found Sarah's family.

Father is Thomas. Mother is Ann.

Children are....

Rebekah Bloom .... Baptised 19th December 1784 in Halesowen.

Sarah Bloomer..... Baptised 19th December 1784 in Halesowen. I wonder if they are twins?

Samuel Bloomer..... Baptised 13th December 1789 in Halesowen. Died 7th August 1790

Jane Bloomer.... Baptised 31st July 1791 in Halesowen.

These certainly look a possible - well done Mark - perhaps looking for Jane's marriage might help?