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Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:37 pm
by linell
Have you seen the latest message from the OP here Pete
People , I now have doubts about his fathers first name being Benjamin ,It could be Jane just used Benjamin as his name was Benjamin . Phoebe I am confident with as he named his first daughter Phoebe. Mason I am not so sure of, I ran this question on another list called Halesowenroots .com that had Willetts trees and they checked and reckoned it was George and Phoebe Martin as they could not find Benjamin. I would like to verify this so I can add to my tree.
Bobrobertgascoigne
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:38 pm
by linell
That is my tree on Halesowen Roots and it is Thomas not George
Help.........
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:39 pm
by peterd
because his daug pheobe doesnt mean his mother is it could be a sister ?
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:40 pm
by linell
Pete do you still want a 1851 Search for Benj 1850 - 1860
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:44 pm
by peterd
linell wrote:Pete do you still want a 1851 Search for Benj 1850 - 1860
well if you think it might help it might show another pheobe up as mother if his hunch is correct ?
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:45 pm
by peterd
peterd wrote:1901 42 Bell's Rows Alexander St, Cambusnethan, Wishaw, Lanarkshire
Benjamin Willetts 46
Jane Clive 30
Jane Clive 9
Phoebe Clive 4
William Willetts 2
Sarah Willetts 6 mo
cannot view image
where jane in 1911 after benjamin died ?
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:02 pm
by Jimmy
peterd wrote:robertgascoigne » Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:54 pm
Hello List my main area's of research in this area are the marriage of Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason. I have a death certificate from Cambusnethan,Lanarkshire ,Scotland. The deceased was Benjamin Willetts aged 54 in January1909 the above were the parents . He never married but had several children to a Jane Clive, I wonder if she knew his parents as the children did not know he was their father except when they saw their birth certificates
which stated he was the father. The husband of Jane Clive was a Thomas Clive from West Bromwich son of Mary Clive and Isaac Timmins. The other name I am researching is Thomas Marriott bapt June 9 in Amington I believe is in Warwickshire, Thomas grew up to be a Custom's Inspector. Thomas was the Son of Thomas Marriott of this Parish,and Elizabeth Bennett also of Amington were married by licenceon the 9th September 1818 by Jonas W Hey both signed their names, the witness's were Rachel Wood and Richard Bennett. That is a long introduction
what can we find out about these carnt see them on bcc
If Benjamin was 54 in 1909, that means he was born about 1855, so he wouldn't be on the 1851 census.
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:17 pm
by peterd
your right jimmy and linell was its 61 time to stop looking at this
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:20 pm
by Jimmy
Jimmy wrote:1861. Rowley Regis.
James Willetts 49. Chainmaker.
Elizabeth Willetts 39.
Joseph Willetts 17.
Thomas Willetts 12.
Benjamin Willetts 6.
Alfred Willetts 4.
All born Rowley Regis.
This is the only one that seem to fit.
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:34 pm
by Jimmy
peterd wrote:there this one right age ?
1871 7 ? place dudley
William Overfield 28
Maria Overfield 21
John Overfield 1
Sarah Willetts 57 wife mother
Benjamin Willetts 15 wife bro Nailer Dudley
Joseph Overfield 21 brother
West Midlands Marriage 1867.
OVERFIELD William, WILLETS Maria, Sedgley, All Saints, Dudley Register Office. 216/013/194.
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:32 pm
by robertgascoigne
I have checked free BMD for Benjamin Willetts born 1855 + - 5 . Between Dec 1862 and Sep 1859 they show 5 born in Dudley none born elsewhere. Linell do you have Benjamin in your tree other than birth if we could trace him it would help. Someone asked about Jane after Benjamin Died she married a Henry Gibbons on the3rd Jul 1906 in Coatbridge, Lanark and died on Dec 30th 1911 in Coatbridge,Lanarkshire
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:44 pm
by linell
Hi Bob, yes I was thinking of tracing Benjamin, it was on my to do list
He is at home Dudley Street Wednesbury in 1861 and 1871. I'll have a look for him in 1881/1891 later and get back to you. Linell.
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:56 pm
by peterd
robertgascoigne wrote:I have checked free BMD for Benjamin Willetts born 1855 + - 5 . Between Dec 1862 and Sep 1859 they show 5 born in Dudley none born elsewhere. Linell do you have Benjamin in your tree other than birth if we could trace him it would help. Someone asked about Jane after Benjamin Died she married a Henry Gibbons on the3rd Jul 1906 in Coatbridge, Lanark and died on Dec 30th 1911 in Coatbridge,Lanarkshire
so benjamin died 1909 and jane remarried 1906 ? after benjamin died ?
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:07 pm
by Jimmy
linell wrote:Hi Bob, yes I was thinking of tracing Benjamin, it was on my to do list
He is at home Dudley Street Wednesbury in 1861 and 1871. I'll have a look for him in 1881/1891 later and get back to you. Linell.
The one in Wednesbury, in 1861 he was born abt 1849, in 1871 he was born abt 1851, which don't fit with, (The deceased was Benjamin Willetts aged 54 in January 1909) which means being born in about 1855.
Re: Benjamin Willetts and Phoebe Mason
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:29 pm
by linell
Ok given up on this for the time being. I cannot identify Benjamin on the 1881 or 1891 Census. Do you have anymore clues Bob
Linell.