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i noticed that but maybe she didnt like it as Louisa on marriage cert as witness

lottie and sarah together in 1871
in 1881 lottie with her uncle harry and his parents
and in 1901 harry and major are lodging with edward james and sarah

so hence lottie could poss be louisa and she didnt like lottie ?



charles pheobe 1881

1881 Spring Hill Bee Hive Inn , Worcester,

David WITHERS Head 44 Hales Owen, Worcester, Publican
Charles WITHERS Father 69 Hales Owen, Worcester, Sawyer Wood Retired
Phebe WITHERS Mother 68 Hales Owen, Worcester,
Hannah WITHERS Sister U 34 Hales Owen, Worcester,
Charles WITHERS Nephew 18 Hales Owen, Worcester, Nail Maker
George WITHERS Nephew 14 Hales Owen, Worcester, Assistant In Nail Warehouse
Joseph WITHERS Nephew 5 Hales Owen, Worcester, Scholar


started adding the stuff we can prove we can join them all later when christening confirmed

bcc

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... d=70751726

An Ancestry tree has ...
John Withers (1772 Halesowen) m. Elizabeth Bache (1771) on 22 May 1796
Children:
John 1797 - 1871
Thomas 1800 - 1870
Joseph 1802 - 1857
Edward 1805 - 1892 *
Henry 1809 - 1884
Charles 1812 - 1890
William 1815 - 1855
Elizabeth 1819 - 1821
Elizabeth 1821

cannot find any christenings for these yet any one have any luck ?
cannot find the marriage on igi either

anyone got the pr handy ?

Extracted IGI, father John mother Elizabeth.
1. ELIZABETH WITHERS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 DEC 1819 Halesowen, Worcester, England
Event(s):
Birth: 08 APR 1819

Christening: 25 DEC 1819 Halesowen, Worcester, England

Death: 26 JAN 1821




2. ELIZABETH WITHERS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 NOV 1821 Halesowen, Worcester, England



3. JOHN WITHERS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 01 NOV 1772 Halesowen, Worcester, England

charles and pheobe

1841 and 1881 got


1871 Hagley Rd Hasbury

Charles Withers 58 oven cooker of timber, Publican, Halesowen
Phoebe Withers 55 Romsley, Worcestershire
David Withers 33 carrier Hasbury,
Hannah Withers 24 Hasbury,
Benjamin Withers 17 Hasbury,


1861

Charles Withers 48 Sawyer, Victullar, Halesowen
Pheobe Withers 48 Halesowen
David Withers 24 Horse carter, Hasbury,
George Withers 22 sawyer, Hasbury
Samuel Withers 19 sawyer, Hasbury
Amelia Withers 17 Hasbury
Hannah Withers 14 Hasbury,
Benjamin Withers 6 Hasbury,


1851 Spring hill, Hasbury

Charles Withers 39 sawyer, Halesowen
Phoebe Withers 38 Halesowen
David Withers 13 iorn worker labourer
George Withers 11 sawyer
Samuel Withers 10 nailer
Mary Withers 8
Hannah Withers 6
Charles Withers 2

rest born hasbury

bcc updated

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =902862638

peterd wrote:1851

Edward Withers 45 sawyer Rowley
Sarah Withers 39 Hagley
Edward Withers 16 convertor of steel
Henry Withers 13 chainmaker
Thomas Withers 8
William Hutton wid 65 Lodger Fruitier, Halesowen

other born hasbury

1891 Hagley rd, Hasbury

Edward Withers 85 wid living on own means
Henry Withers 54 wid, wood cutter Hasbury
Esther Withers 16 gdaug Nail Maker hasbury
Major Withers 8 gson Hasbury


this

henry and besty family

1891

Henry Withers 54 wid Sawyer of timber, Halesowen, Worcestershir
Harry Withers 25 Nailor
Polly Withers 19 ?
Major Withers 17 Labourer in iron works
Agnes Withers 14 brass ? maker
Pheobe Withers 12
Lucy Withers 15 Niece bar maid Oldbury

other born halesowen




so major is poss henry son ut which henry ?

all extracted

MAJOR WITHERS
Christening: 12 MAY 1874 Halesowen, Worcester,

Father: HENRY WITHERS
Mother: BETSEY

siblings betsy/elizabeth

FREDERICK WITHERS
Christening: 21 OCT 1867 Halesowen, Worcester,
Death: 23 APR 1869

HARRY WITHERS
Christening: 28 FEB 1866 Halesowen, Worcester,

MARY ANN WITHERS
Christening: 13 MAR 1872 Halesowen, Worcester,

ALICE WITHERS
Christening: 01 DEC 1864 Halesowen, Worcester,

JOSEPH WITHERS
Christening: 06 MAY 1863 Halesowen, Worcester,
Death: 06 DEC 1863

GEORGE WITHERS
Christening: 12 JAN 1870 Halesowen, Worcester,


poss marriage

WITHERS Henry HALL Betsy 1858 Dudley, St Andrew West Midlands Dudley Register Office 205/002/227


1861 Birmingham st, Halesowen

Henry Withers 23 sawyer of timber Halesowen
Bettsey Withers 22 Halesowen

(note joseph and pheobe hall on previous image her parents ?)


on bcc

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =768071337

henry and sarah withers kids

ELIZABETH WITHERS
Christening: 04 SEP 1835 Halesowen, Worcester,

CHARLES WITHERS
Christening: 10 FEB 1839 Halesowen, Worcester,

ELLEN WITHERS
Christening: 09 OCT 1844 Halesowen, Worcester,
Death: 13 JUN 1845

ELIJAH WITHERS
Christening: 08 SEP 1852 Halesowen, Worcester,

SARAH WITHERS
Christening: 04 SEP 1833 Halesowen, Worcester,

JOSEPH WITHERS
Christening: 04 APR 1841 Halesowen, Worcester,

HENRY WITHERS
Christening: 02 APR 1837 Halesowen, Worcester,

GEORGE WITHERS
Christening: 26 OCT 1842 Halesowen, Worcester,


1841 Hagley rd Hasbury

Henry Wither 30 Publican
Sarah Wither 30
Sarah Wither 7
Elizabeth Wither 5
Henry Wither 4
Charles Wither 2
Joseph Wither 3 Mo

1851 Spring hill, Hasbury

Henry Withers 41 sawyer Halesowen
Sarah Withers 41 Halesowen
Sarah Withers 16 Nailor Halesowen
Henry Withers 14 under sawyer Halesowen
Charles Withers 12 Chainmaker Hasbury
Joseph Withers 10 Hasbury
George Withers 8 Hasbury

1861 Spring hill, Hasbury

Henry Withers 51 sawyer Halesowen
Sally Withers 51 Halesowen
Joseph Withers 20 Hasbury
George Withers 18 Hasbury
Eliza Withers 8 Hasbury (could this be elijah as in christend above?)

next door son charles

1861 Spring hill, Hasbury

Charles Withers 22 Sawyer Hasbury
Mary Withers 20 Horn Button Cutter Halesowen,
Sarah A Withers 1 Halesowen





1871 Hagley rd Hasbury

Henry Withers 60 Sawyer Halesowen
Sarah Withers 60 Halesowen
Joseph Withers 30 Sawyer Hasbury


1881 Spring hill

Henry Withers 71 sawyer wood Halesowen
Sally Withers 71

bcc

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =517209456

right we have two henry born 1837 here the other one born hasbury one halesowen if that helps

1891

Henry Withers 54 wid Sawyer of timber, Halesowen, Worcestershir
Harry Withers 25 Nailor
Polly Withers 19 ?
Major Withers 17 Labourer in iron works
Agnes Withers 14 brass ? maker
Pheobe Withers 12
Lucy Withers 15 Niece bar maid Oldbury

other born halesowen

next to sort

peterd wrote:think these are the key anyone find them from 1881 to 1841 please

1841 hagley rd

Edward Withers 35 sawyer
Sarah Withers 25
George Withers 9
Henry Withers 3
Edward Withers 6


1851

Edward Withers 45 sawyer Rowley
Sarah Withers 39 Hagley
Edward Withers 16 convertor of steel (poss married hannah ward sep 1860 birm)
Henry Withers 13 chainmaker
Thomas Withers 8
William Hutton wid 65 Lodger Fruitier, Halesowen

other born hasbury


1861 White lane Hasbury

Edward Withers 55 Sawyer, Rowley
Sarah Withers 49 Hagley
Thomas Withers 18 Sawyer Hasbury
William Hutton 12 Visitor Halesowen
Sarah Withers 3 G daug Hasbury

1871 Hagley rd Hasbury

Edward Withers 65 carter, Rowley
Sarah Withers 55
Edward Withers gson 11 Button maker
Albert Withers gson 9 Button maker

all other born hasbury



1881 Spring Hill Hasbury, Worcester

Edward WITHERS 74 Hales Owen, Worcester,
Sarah WITHERS 68 HalesOwen, Worcester,
Harry WITHERS Son U 42 Hales Owen, Worcester, Sawyer Wood
Edward WITHERS Grnd Son 20 HalesOwen, Worcester, Coal Miner
Albert WITHERS Grnd Son 18 HalesOwen, Worcester, Coal Miner
Lottie WITHERS Grnd Daur 14 HalesOwen, Worcester,
Hetty WITHERS Grnd Daur 6 HalesOwen, Worcester, Scholar


1891 Hagley rd, Hasbury

Edward Withers 85 wid living on own means
Henry Withers 54 wid, wood cutter Hasbury
Esther Withers 16 gdaug Nail Maker hasbury
Major Withers 8 gson Hasbury

christenings all extracted edward and sarah

THOMAS WITHERS
Christening: 28 SEP 1842 Halesowen, Worcester,

HENRY WITHERS
Christening: 01 JAN 1838 Halesowen, Worcester,

EDWARD WITHERS
Christening: 15 FEB 1835 Halesowen, Worcester,

GEORGE WITHERS
Christening: 24 JUN 1832 Halesowen, Worcester,

started to put them on bcc

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =206081651

is this george c 1832 parents edward and sarah

1861 Spring hill, Hasbury

George Withers 28 sawyer Hasbury
Betsey Withers 31 nailer Northfield
Sarah Withers 3 Hasbury (could sarah be at here gran p ?)
Thomas E Withers 1 Hasbury
George Withers 2 Mo Hasbury



1881 Spring Hill Hasbury, Worcester,

George WITHERS 47 Hales Owen, Worcester, General Labourer
Sarah WITHERS 49 Hales Owen, Worcester,
Hannah BOLLARD Daur (Step) U 20 Hales Owen, Worcester, Nail Maker Out Of Employ
Betsy WITHERS Daur 14 Hales Owen, Worcester, Carder Button Factory


so george is the same one in both census

BETSY WITHERS
Christening: 01 MAY 1867 Halesowen, Worcester,

Father: GEORGE WITHERS
Mother: BETSY

and siblings

MARY JANE WITHERS
Christening: 06 MAY 1863 Halesowen, Worcester,

SARAH ANN WITHERS
Christening: 24 JUN 1857 Halesowen, Worcester,

GEORGE WITHERS
Christening: 13 MAR 1861 Halesowen, Worcester,
Death: 16 MAR 1862


poss first marr

WITHERS George HODGKINSON Louisa 1848 Oldbury, Christ Church West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 12/1/176

poss 2nd mar

WITHERS George BALLARD Sarah 1873 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/031/57


anyone find 1871 please

1871 Hagley rd Hasbury

Edward Withers 65 carter, Rowley
Sarah Withers 55
Edward Withers gson 11 Button maker
Albert Withers gson 9 Button maker

all other born hasbury



1881 Spring Hill Hasbury, Worcester

Edward WITHERS 74 Hales Owen, Worcester,
Sarah WITHERS 68 HalesOwen, Worcester,
Harry WITHERS Son U 42 Hales Owen, Worcester, Sawyer Wood
Edward WITHERS Grnd Son 20 HalesOwen, Worcester, Coal Miner
Albert WITHERS Grnd Son 18 HalesOwen, Worcester, Coal Miner
Lottie WITHERS Grnd Daur 14 HalesOwen, Worcester,
Hetty WITHERS Grnd Daur 6 HalesOwen, Worcester, Scholar

albert ' edward and lottie are henry and harriett kids ?

all extracted

FRANK WITHERS
Christening: 01 JUN 1864 Halesowen, Worcester,
Death: 08 JUN 1870

HARRY WITHERS
Christening: 14 AUG 1872 Halesowen, Worcester,

LOTTY WITHERS
Christening: 13 MAY 1868 Halesowen, Worcester,

ALICE MARIA WITHERS
Christening: 25 APR 1866 Halesowen, Worcester,

SARAH WITHERS
Christening: 09 DEC 1857 Halesowen, Worcester,

ALBERT WITHERS -
Christening: 29 JAN 1862 Halesowen, Worcester,

EDWARD WITHERS
Christening: 06 FEB 1861 Halesowen, Worcester,

GEORGE HENRY WITHERS
Christening: 14 SEP 1870 Halesowen, Worcester,
Death: 14 JUL 1871


poss marriage ?

Marriages Sep 1857
Cutler Harriet Kings Norton 6c 624
Withers Henry Kings Norton 6c 624

henry and harriett

1861
At Spring Hill, Hasbury
Henry Withers Head 22 Sawyer b. Worcs., Hasbury
Harriet Withers Wife 22 Nailer b. Worcs., Lapal
Edward Withers Son 1 b. Worcs., Hasbury


1871 New Street, Hasbury

Henry Withers 32 Sawyer, Hasbury
Harriett Withers 33 Nailer, Lahal, Worcestershire
Sarah Withers 13 Button Maker, Hasbury
Alice Maria Withers 5 Hasbury
Lottie Withers 3 Hasbury (poss Louisa)
George H Withers 6 months Hasbury

poss harriet death

WITHERS Harriet 1875 - Halesowen West Midlands Dudley Register Office HAL/018/289

and that harry in 1881 with edward and sarah and there grankids is henry there father as widower when living with her in 1901 harry could be nickname for henry ?


1891 New Street Hasbury
Edward James 27 Coal Miner Hasbury
Sarah Wife 30 Hasbury
Arthur Son 1
Edward Son 7 weeks

1901 Spring Hill Hasbury
Edward James 38 Coal Miner Hasbury
Sarah Wife 40
Arthur 12
Edward 10
Harry 5
Cyril 3
Harry Withers Lodger Widower 62 Woodman Halesowen
Major Withers Lodger 18 Halesowen

is it this sarah who married edward james i think so ?

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =285915028

Is this the 1871 one you were looking Peter? As Wihers.
Hagley Road, Hasbury
George Wihers, head, 39, Sawyer
Betsy, wife, 42, Nailer, Northfield
Sarah Ann, daur, 13,
Jane, daur, 8,
Betsy, daur, 4,
All others born Hasbury

think i could join most of the brothers up to the parents but marriages will give that other piece of evidence to make certain ie witnesses

so will continue to add what i can and find marriage and census for kids / grankids

Ok Pete will flag those I have linked in

1. John Withers and Ann Moore added
link is here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =590945813

Marriage info added by Jan<br>
17 Feb 1817 Old Swinford<br><br>
John Withers otp bach<br>
Ann Moore otp spinster<br>
banns<br>
X both<br>
Wit - Tho's Shelburne X / Sarah Moore

If we want to run with Ann Moore new thread pls

1881 New Street British Arms Hasbury, Worcester

Eliza WITHERS Head Wid 48 Halesowen, Worcester, Publican
Bertha WITHERS 16 Halesowen, Worcester, Nail Maker
Annie WITHERS 14 Halesowen, Worcester, Apprentice Dressmaking
Harriett WITHERS 12 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
Elizabeth WITHERS 10 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
Charles WITHERS 8 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
Alice WITHERS 6 Halesowen, Worcester,
Elizabeth RANDLE S In Law (aunty) W 59 Halesowen, Worcester,


poss elizabeth marriage

RANDLE Isaac WITHERS Elizabeth 1841 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/004/121

this is charles Aunty not sister 1st elizabeth died





ELIZABETH WITHERS
Birth: 08 APR 1819
Christening: 25 DEC 1819 Halesowen, Worcester,
Death: 26 JAN 1821

Father: JOHN WITHERS Family
Mother: ELIZABETH


2nd


ELIZABETH WITHERS
Christening: 25 NOV 1821 Halesowen, Worcester,


Father: JOHN WITHERS
Mother: ELIZABETH

added to bcc peter

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =382379841