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Re: Rowley, Allen, Ghent, Tipton, Dudley, Brierley Hill,?Chester
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:45 pm
by sp1
linell wrote:Steve are you saying that Edward did not move from Tipton? Are their two Edward Rowley's both Married to a Jane, one in Tipton and one in Brierley Hill/Kingswinford?
Linell.
No. Edward Rowley married Sarah Baker in Tipton, 1804, Then eldest son Thomas bapt at Dudley for some reason, 2 children then bapt at Tipton, and then Edward & Sarah moved to Brierley Hill, where the rest of their children were born. After Sarah's death Edward then married the widow, Jane Allen - they had no children. Edward, both of his wives, and many of their children and some grandchildren were buried together at Wordsley - the monument is still there: if you go via the entrance from the car park, past the main doors of the church, it is on the right of the path, more or less on it's own.
Steve
Re: Rowley, Allen, Ghent, Tipton, Dudley, Brierley Hill,?Chester
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:53 pm
by sp1
linell wrote:DSCAM/3/364/6-7: Admittance (24 Jan. 1823) of Edward Rowley, formerly of Brierley Hill, now of the parish of Oldswinford, Worcs., yeoman (as father and customary heir of Edward Rowley the younger of Brierley Hill, yeoman, deceased) to a plot of land on the south-east side of the Brettell Lane-Dudley turnpike, near Brierley Hill, with the messuage erected thereupon; and conditional surrender of the premises (same date) to Emma Jemima Bourne, to secure £73 10/- by way of mortgage. Manor of Kingswinford; James Samuel Bourne, steward; out of court.
Description DSCAM/3/364/8-11: Particulars and conditions of sale of property at Brierley Hill, with memoranda of purchase of Lots 4-9 [Lot 6 is Fox and Goose]; advertisement; plan of lots 1-5 (in Dudley Street, Brierley Hill); purchase agreement of Charles Rowley of Brierley Hill for 3 copyhold dwellinghouses in Levell Street, Brierley Hill for £220; June 1867.
Description DSCAM/3/364/12-14: Abstracts of title (from 1820) to copyholds at Brierley Hill; 1835 and 1867.
Description DSCAM/3/364/15-17: Notice (24 Apr. 1864) to John Yardley as mortgagee of the assignment of the equity of redemption in properties at Crowley Plain, Brierley Hill and the Level, parish of Kingswinford, by Edward Rowley to Richard Ghent Allen of Brierley Hill, hatter; notice to same (7 June 1867) of Allen's intention to pay of mortgage; schedule of deeds to be given up by Yardley's devisees, and receipt for same of James S. Bourne, 11 Feb. 1868.
Description DSCAM/3/364/18: Notice of sale of building land fronting the Dudley-Stourbridge turnpike, 13 Sept. 1819. Note of purchase of varius lots by John Jones and Edward Rowley.
Description See also DSCAM/2/2/3/10-11.
Edward Rowley 'Junior' b 1807 Tipton, d 1853, bur Wordsley, m 14 Sept 1828 Tewkesbury, Glos (!!?), to Eunice Bayliss, b 1807, Tipton - no children that I am aware of.
Charles Rowley no connection to this family.
The property in
Level Street probably included 'The Old Queens Head', as Edward was also a publican, and I have records of him owning this - it is still there, but now a nightclub.
Steve
Re: Rowley, Allen, Ghent, Tipton, Dudley, Brierley Hill,?Chester
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:02 pm
by sp1
linell wrote:Someone on Ancestral File LDS Site has this family, apparently they were the ones who originated from Shropshire
A lot of BC Ancestors Married in B'ham, I don't know why, pehaps it was the up market thing to do, like people today who marry in far flung places
Linell.
Definitely a different family, although curious that both Edwards are of similar age, and both have parents John & Sarah (although mothers obviously have different surnames) - one of those coincidences that seem to occur just to confuse us! My Edward definitely born in Tipton.
Steve
Re: Rowley, Allen, Ghent, Tipton, Dudley, Brierley Hill,?Chester
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:58 pm
by linell
Hi Steve the address I gave you in Brierley Hill 1822 must be your Edward...............Charles Rowley must be connected somewhere, too much of a co-incidence not to be.........
Re: Rowley, Allen, Ghent, Tipton, Dudley, Brierley Hill,?Chester
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:01 am
by Northern Lass
Do we need any more info on this?
are we awaiting look ups?
I will move this to Brickwalls
Re: Rowley, Allen, Ghent, Tipton, Dudley, Brierley Hill,?Chester
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:54 pm
by dianel
Looking at the Will:
Edward Rowley widower m. Jane Allen widow of Richard Allen
Sarah Rowley, daughter of Edward and his 1st wife, Sarah Baker, married Richard Ghent Allen, son of Jane and her 1st husband, Richard Allen.
So Sarah married her step-brother, Richard?
Samuel Rowley "step-nephew" to Richard Ghent Allen (therefore a son of one Edward Rowleys other sons?) married Jane Allen. Isn't Samuel a child of Edward Rowley and Sarah Baker? Wouldn't this make him Richard Ghent Allen's step-brother?
Re: Rowley, Allen, Ghent, Tipton, Dudley, Brierley Hill,?Chester
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:51 pm
by dianel
Here's interesting, Steve.
Looks like Richard Ghent Allen says he was born in Chester, Cheshire too. So maybe this is where we should look for the Allen family?
1851
At Kingswinford, Brierley Hill.
Richard Allen Head Mar 29 Hatter & Tailor b. Chester
Sarah Allen Wife Mar 28 b. Staffs., Kingswinford
Jane Fibbs Servant 12 House Servant b. Staffs., Enville
1861
At High St., Kingswinford
Richard Allen Head 39 Tailor b. Cheshire, Chester
Sarah Allen Wife 38 b. Staffs., Kingswinford
John Simmonds Nephew 17 Assistant Tailor b. Staffs., Kingswinford
Elizabeth Home 19 House Servant b. Worcs., Dudley
Re: Rowley, Allen, Ghent, Tipton, Dudley, Brierley Hill,?Chester
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:00 pm
by dianel
There's this extracted entry:
JANE ALLEN
Christening: 22 SEP 1816 Holy Trinity, Chester, Cheshire, England
Father: EDWARD ALLEN
Mother: JANE
Extracted:
EDWARD ALLEN
Spouse: JANE SMART
Marriage: 23 AUG 1812 Holy Trinity, Chester, Cheshire, England
Re: Rowley, Allen, Ghent, Tipton, Dudley, Brierley Hill,?Chester
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:41 pm
by sp1
dianel wrote:There's this extracted entry:
JANE ALLEN
Christening: 22 SEP 1816 Holy Trinity, Chester, Cheshire, England
Father: EDWARD ALLEN
Mother: JANE
Extracted:
EDWARD ALLEN
Spouse: JANE SMART
Marriage: 23 AUG 1812 Holy Trinity, Chester, Cheshire, England
Well done Di -looking very promising - must check these: were there other children for Edward & Jane Allen, and are there children there for Richard Allen & Jane?? Think a lookup needed here?
Re: Rowley, Allen, Ghent, Tipton, Dudley, Brierley Hill,?Chester
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:48 pm
by sp1
dianel wrote:Looking at the Will:
Edward Rowley widower m. Jane Allen widow of Richard Allen
Sarah Rowley, daughter of Edward and his 1st wife, Sarah Baker, married Richard Ghent Allen, son of Jane and her 1st husband, Richard Allen.
So Sarah married her step-brother, Richard?
Samuel Rowley "step-nephew" to Richard Ghent Allen (therefore a son of one Edward Rowleys other sons?) married Jane Allen. Isn't Samuel a child of Edward Rowley and Sarah Baker? Wouldn't this make him Richard Ghent Allen's step-brother?
Yes....Sarah Rowley married her step-brother Richard Ghent Allen! - was this legal??
I think I made a little mistake re Samuel Rowley - his 'step-uncle' was Richard Allen, first husband of Jane (his father's second wife) - Richard Ghent Allen was indeed Samuel Rowleys step brother.
Samuel Rowleys wife, also Jane Allen, confuses things by her entries on three successive censuses by giving different ages and birthplaces, but among them were CHESTER and 1816, looks like all of these Allens may be related!?
Steve
Re: Rowley, Allen, Ghent, Tipton, Dudley, Brierley Hill,?Che
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:05 am
by Antie Em
Is this still a Brickwall?
or have you solved it?
Unless otherwise advised this will be moved to the Brickwalls Archived section
within 24 hours