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Re: possible link up ?
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:11 pm
by Northern Lass
mumbles wrote:Sorry , not that marriage but this one which is connected :-
marriage in 1878:- MOLE Mary A BROOKES William Dudley, St Edmund Dudley Register Office 201/006/372
William Daniels born 1860 is shown on Census as married to a Polly but I did not know this was another Mary Ann Mole
not sure which one you are talking about here
but the Mary Ann Cole with father Paraai here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnectionsI can confirm married William Brookes here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =179610522I have done the look up and will post link shortly
so are we talking about another Mary Ann Cole or a Matilda?
do we have a William Daniels and Matilda Rose on?
Re: possible link up ?
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:19 pm
by Northern Lass
This is William Daniels -bro in law to Getha Rose cos he marries her sister Matilda
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =9741541711891 Census 55 Birmingham Road Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Joseph Mole Head 40 Rivet Maker
Getha Mole wife 41 Nailer
Joseph Mole son 17 Rivet Maker
William Mole son 15 Lab. in Rivet Shop
Agnes Mole dau 8 Scholar
Frank Mole son 5 Scholar
Fred Mole son 3
? Mole son 1week
William Daniels broth.in.law 30 Lab.
Polly Daniels wife 28 Washerwoman
Alice Daniels dau 12 Scholar
Tilda Daniels dau 2
All born Rowley Regis
so who is Polly b abt 1863?
Re: possible link up ?
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:25 pm
by Northern Lass
Re: possible link up ?
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:36 pm
by Northern Lass
1882
DANIEL William WILLIAMS Rhoda Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/037/50
Re: possible link up ?
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:37 pm
by peterd
nl
1891 Census 55 Birmingham Road Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Joseph Mole Head 40 Rivet Maker
Getha Mole wife 41 Nailer
Joseph Mole son 17 Rivet Maker
William Mole son 15 Lab. in Rivet Shop
Agnes Mole dau 8 Scholar
Frank Mole son 5 Scholar
Fred Mole son 3
? Mole son 1week
William Daniels broth.in.law 30 Lab.
Polly Daniels wife 28 Washerwoman
Alice Daniels dau 12 Scholar
Tilda Daniels dau 2
All born Rowley Regis
so who is Polly b abt 1863?
peterd wrote:Jimmy wrote:1881. 45, Birmingham Rd. Rowley Regis.
Ann Perry 66, head. nailmaker.
Abraham Rose 25. son. rivet maker.
Elizabeth Rose 22. daughter in law.
Mary A. Rose. 8 mon. grand daughter.
William Daniels 50. son in law. general Lab.
William Daniels 22. grandson. general lab.
Sarah Daniels 18. grand daughter.
Ellen Daniels 13. grand daughter.
Abbess Daniels 1. grand daughter.
if this is william c 1860 then are these related to polly ?
1881 55 Birmingham Rd Rowley Regis, Stafford
Ann MOLE Head W Female 66 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Nail Maker
John MOLE Son U 36 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Rivet Maker Joseph MOLE Son M 30 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Rivet Maker Getha MOLE Daur In Law M 28 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Nail Maker
Eliza MOLE Grand Daur 9 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
Joseph MOLE Grand Son 7 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
William MOLE Grand Son 5 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Alfred MOLE Grand Son 1 m Rowley Regis, Stafford,
peterd wrote:Mary ann?
1871 bridge st Quarry bank
John Mole 66 dudley
Ann Mole 55 Stamford, lincoln
next door
John S Mole 38 dudley gen labourer
Sarah Mole 35 Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire,
William Mole 13 Kingswinford
Mary A Mole 9 Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire,
Daniel Mole 7 Kingswinford
Sylva Mole 5 : Kingswinford
Sarah J Target 6 months : Kingswinford (on as mole on image)
Robt Hy Target 2 : Blackheath Boarder
where does the 1891 census say she born ?
poss link up but between which parties ?
think these ties together somehow?
Re: possible link up ?
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:45 pm
by mumbles
If Polly is Mary Ann Mole the one who fits age and place of birth is a relative the daughter of Paarai Mole
already on bcc
Re: possible link up ?
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:00 pm
by Northern Lass
The one that marries William Brookes is deffo the dau of paraii Mole
so discount her
Still together in 1891 and 1901
the confusing thing is the census saying bro in law when it is actually
nephew of Getha Rose
ie William Daniels son of Wm daniels and Matilda Rose
but...who is Polly
who does she belong to
think Pete has somat with that John Mole
Re: possible link up ?
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:03 pm
by peterd
peterd wrote:Mary ann?
1871 bridge st Quarry bank
John Mole 66 dudley
Ann Mole 55 Stamford, lincoln
next door
John S Mole 38 dudley gen labourer
Sarah Mole 35 Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire,
William Mole 13 Kingswinford
Mary A Mole 9 Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire,
Daniel Mole 7 Kingswinford
Sylva Mole 5 : Kingswinford
Sarah J Target 6 months : Kingswinford (on as mole on image)
Robt Hy Target 2 : Blackheath Boarder
poss link up but between which parties ?
this is them in 1881
1881 Whimsey Road Kingswinford, Stafford
Samuel MOLE 43 Netherton, Worcester, Laborer (also john)
Sarah MOLE 41 Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire,
Mary Ann MOLE Female 20 Neen ?
Daniel MOLE 16 Kingswinford, Stafford,
Sarah Jane MOLE 9 Kingswinford Scholar
Emma MOLE 5 Kingswinford Scholar
John MOLE 3 Kingswinford
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Source Information:
Dwelling Whimsey Road Kingswinford, Stafford
Re: possible link up ?
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:07 pm
by peterd
poss christening extracted
JOHN SAMUEL MOLE
Christening: 14 SEP 1834 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Father: JOHN MOLE
Mother: SELVIA
sibling
SARAH MOLE
Christening: 01 MAY 1836 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester
marriage
JOHN MOLE
SELVIA SHORT
Marriage: 15 MAY 1833 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester
so can we find these in census 1841 onwards please
Re: possible link up ?
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:16 pm
by peterd
1841 dudley
John Mole 34
Sylvia Mole 31
James Mole 9
John Mole 7
Sarah Mole 5
Mary Mole 3
Thomas Mole 2
Deaths Sep 1841
MOLE Sylvia Dudley 18 178
sylvia dead john remarries
poss
MOLE John RICHARDS Mary A 1842 Halesowen, St John the Baptist West Midlands Dudley Register Office 014/001/303
1851 new bridge rd quarry bank
John Mole 45 gardener
Mary Ann Mole 49 Alverstoke, Shropshire,
James Mole 20
John Samuel Mole 15
Mary Mole 13
Thomas Mole 11
rest born dudley
1871 bridge st Quarry bank
John Mole 66 dudley
Ann Mole 55 Stamford, lincoln
next door
John S Mole 38 dudley gen labourer
Sarah Mole 35 Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire,
William Mole 13 Kingswinford
Mary A Mole 9 Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire,
Daniel Mole 7 Kingswinford
Sylva Mole 5 : Kingswinford
Sarah J Target 6 months : Kingswinford (on as mole on image)
Robt Hy Target 2 : Blackheath Boarder
1881 Whimsey Road Kingswinford, Stafford
Samuel MOLE 43 Netherton, Worcester, Laborer (also john)
Sarah MOLE 41 Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire,
Mary Ann MOLE Female 20 Neen ?
Daniel MOLE 16 Kingswinford, Stafford,
Sarah Jane MOLE 9 Kingswinford Scholar
Emma MOLE 5 Kingswinford Scholar
John MOLE 3 Kingswinford
1891 no mary ann
1891 John st, brookmoor, kingswiniford
Samuel Mole 56 netherton
Sarah Mole 54 Cleobury Mortimer, Shropshire
Sarah Mole 20 Quarry Bank,
Emma Mole 15 Brierley Hill,
John Mole 13 Brierley Hill,
George Morgan 24 Brettle Lane, Staffordshire
Selvey Morgan 24 Quarry Bank,
Re: possible link up ?
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:08 pm
by Jimmy
peterd wrote:
where does the 1891 census say she born ?
1891. says Polly was born in Rowley Regis, she is age 28.
Re: possible link up ?
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:45 pm
by Jimmy
This is odd.
Mary Mole.
Christening, 17 NOV 1861. Rowley Regis, Stafford
Parents:
Paare Mole.
Frances Mole.
Batch No.C009650.
---------------------------------
Extracted.
Mary Ann Mole.
Christening. 02 MAR 1868. Rowley Regis, Stafford
Parents:
Paari Mole.
Mary Ann Mole.
West Midlands Marriage 1852.
MOLE Pariah, FLETCHER Ann, Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office. 204/011/452.
West Midlands Marriage 1856.
MOLE Pari, HADLEY Frances, Dudley, St Thomas. Dudley Register Office. 204/015/462.
Re: possible link up ?
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:18 pm
by Northern Lass
This is real odd
So Paraii marries a Frances Hadley in 1856 and they have a Mary in 1861 or bapt one....
but
a Paraii marries a mary ann Fletcher in 1852 and they have a Mary ann in 1868
now the one that marries Wm brookes is age 20 in 1878 so b 1858....
and one of the wits is Isaac hadley
Re: possible link up ?
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:24 pm
by peterd
1871 church row RR
Paarai Mole 44 rivit maker
Ann Mole 40
Phebe Mole 18
Joseph Mole 16
Mary A Mole 13
Hannah Mole 8
Samuel Mole 6
Thomas Mole 3
all born RR
1881 12 Church Rd Rowley Regis, Stafford
Paarai MOLE 53 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Rivet Maker
Ann MOLE 50 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Hannah MOLE 19 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Nail Maker
Samuel MOLE 16 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Workman At Pottery
Thomas MOLE 14 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Stone Breaker
at no 4
1881 4 Church Rd Rowley Regis, Stafford
Joseph MOLE He 26 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Drain Pipe Maker
Anne M. MOLE 26 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Nail Maker
Selina MOLE 5 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
Sarah Ann MOLE 3 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Scholar
Phoebe A. MOLE 1 Rowley Regis, Stafford,
Re: possible link up ?
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:32 pm
by peterd
1861
Pariah Mole 26 furnace labourer(coal)
Fanny Mole 25 nailer
Thomas Mole 2
all born RR
1871 Tippity Green
Pana Mole 35 furnace labourer
Fanny Mole 35
Mary Mole 9
Littecna Mole 6
Hannah Mole 4
Kettusah Mole 2
Ada Mole 6 months
1881 6 Tippity Green
Phari Mole 45 labourer in brickyard
Fanny Mole 45
Mary Mole 19
Ada Mole 10
William Mole 6
all born RR