*Arc tbc* ---nelsons god-daughter

[sueh]

Hi Sue

how do you know that that Elizabeth that married William Whitehouse Jukes
is the dau of Wilkinson Hatton and Mary Wall?
if you havent got the marriage you cant be sure of the father surely unless clues on census

and do you mean bcc not bbc....
and if so what do you mean
sorry don't understand as we dont have the Wilkinson info on we only have the Jukes on ie Minnies father

i have her birth certifcate she was born in 1848?


1844 is the correct date for a marriage between Wilkinson hatton and mary ann wall
but we dont have that on BCC yet as we need more proof on this Eliz Hatton and her parents

[Northern Lass]

But the Birth Certif how do you know it is for that Elizabeth Hatton that married Wilkinson Jukes
it may well be
but then again

[sueh]

The only thing i can see is this on IGI
Elizabeth Hatton
Christening: 21 JUN 1847 Old Swinford, Worcester, England
Parents:
Father: Wilkinson Hatton Family
Mother: Mary Ann Wall

JOHN HATTON
Christening: 03 JUN 1852 Old Swinford, Worcester, England
Parents:
Father: WILKINSON HATTON Family
Mother: MARY ANNE

1851 Talbot Back Lane Stourbridge
Wilkinson Halton Head 27 Labourer Born Stourbridge
Mary Ann Halton Wife 27 Born Lenton Herefordshire
Thomas Halton Son 6 Born Stourbridge
Elizabeth Halton Daur. 3 Born Stourbridge
Mary Renolds Visitor 21 Born Droitwich

1861 Hagley Road Harwoods? Yard Stourbridge
Wilkisson Hatton Head 36 Shiller?for Spade Maker Born Stourbridge
Mary A Hatton Wife 36 TailoressBorn Bromsgrove Herford
Thomas Hatton Son 16 Spade Finisher Born Stourbridge
Mary Hatton Daur.7 Scholar Born Stourbridge
Elizabeth Hatton Mother Widow 67 Born Clent
William Hatton Brother 43 Labourer at Iron Works Born Stourbridge

So where is John did he die or is he elsewhere on census?

that is the right family for elizabeth jukes i dont know about john

But the Birth Certif how do you know it is for that Elizabeth Hatton that married Wilkinson Jukes
it may well be
but then again

elizabeth jukes nee hatton is wilkinson hatton daughter elizabeths birth says so only one wilkinson hatton

[sueh]

But the Birth Certif how do you know it is for that Elizabeth Hatton that married Wilkinson Jukes
it may well be
but then again

elizabeth is also down on maria freemans death certicate has her grand daughter
i know she is the right one

[Northern Lass]

She may well be the dau of Wilkinson Hatton
BUT
how do you know that that Elizabeth Hatton married a William Whitehouse Jewkes
do you see what I mean
it might be another Elizabeth Hatton that married him!

just cos the birth certif says those parents that is great!
but you need that marriage for Elizabeth and William Jewkes to see her father on


anyway best of luck!

[Northern Lass]

But the Birth Certif how do you know it is for that Elizabeth Hatton that married Wilkinson Jukes
it may well be
but then again

elizabeth is also down on maria freemans death certicate has her grand daughter
i know she is the right one

So did she sign s Elizabeth Jukes?

Who did your Maria Freeman marry?
William Feeman?

So if the father of Mary ann Wall is John wall
who did John Wall marry?
and
where does maria/myrah Freeman fit in..is she the mother of Johns wife?
or is she Johns widow who remarries?

we need some census here

[sueh]

But the Birth Certif how do you know it is for that Elizabeth Hatton that married Wilkinson Jukes
it may well be
but then again

elizabeth is also down on maria freemans death certicate has her grand daughter
i know she is the right one

So did she sign s Elizabeth Jukes?

Who did your Maria Freeman marry?
William Feeman?

So if the father of Mary ann Wall is John wall
who did John Wall marry?
and
where does maria/myrah Freeman fit in..is she the mother of Johns wife?
or is she Johns widow who remarries?

we need some census here

1891 cencus
william whitehouse jukes head
elizabeth jukes wife
wilkinson hatton father in law


john wall diedin bromyard in 1838 not sure if mary ann is duaghter
or granddaughter of maria freeman thereis nothing on the igi


elizabeth put a mark as present at death

[peterd]

right

1841 Bromyard

Mary Wall 17 Herefordshire, Glaves ?
Elizabeth Phillips 20 Herefordshire, ag labourer


either same house or next door ?

William Freeman 40 Herefordshire, ag labourer
Maria Freeman 45 Herefordshire,

[Northern Lass]

rite so we have now got this

1891 census
william whitehouse jukes head
elizabeth jukes wife
wilkinson hatton father in law

so that confirms that Wilkinson is father
but no marriage coming up

:roll

so we could now add Hatton based on that census and Wilkinson as father in law

[sueh]

right

1841 Bromyard

Mary Wall 17 Herefordshire, Glaves ?
Elizabeth Phillips 20 Herefordshire, ag labourer


either same house or next door ?

William Freeman 40 Herefordshire, ag labourer
Maria Freeman 45 Herefordshire,

thats them but wrong ages

[peterd]

its not the wrong ages sueh as 1841 census age was rounded down to the nearest 5 for adults

[kdw]

This is what i have found so far

Wilkinson Hatton
1841 Round Court Stourbridge
Thomas Hatton 50 Labourer Not born in county
Elizabeth Hatton 45 Not born in county
Joseph Hatton 20 Blacksmith
Wilkinson Hatton 15 Labourer
Jane Hatton 15
John Hatton 11
Henry Hatton 7
James Hatton 4
Emma Hatton 2
All others born in county


1851 Talbot Back Lane Stourbridge
Wilkinson Halton Head 27 Labourer Born Stourbridge
Mary Ann Halton Wife 27 Born Lenton Herefordshire
Thomas Halton Son 6 Born Stourbridge
Elizabeth Halton Daur. 3 Born Stourbridge
Mary Renolds Visitor 21 Born Droitwich

1861 Hagley Road Harwoods? Yard Stourbridge
Wilkisson Hatton Head 36 Shiller?for Spade Maker Born Stourbridge
Mary A Hatton Wife 36 TailoressBorn Bromsgrove Herford
Thomas Hatton Son 16 Spade Finisher Born Stourbridge
Mary Hatton Daur.7 Scholar Born Stourbridge
Elizabeth Hatton Mother Widow 67 Born Clent
William Hatton Brother 43 Labourer at Iron Works Born Stourbridge

1871 Oldswinford
Miras Freeman Head W. 49 Parish Relief Born Manchester
Mary A Hatton Grand Daur. 18 Lab at Brick works Born Oldswinford
William Hatton Son in Law Widr. 49 Spade Moulder Born Oldswinford

1881 Wilkinson is a lodger in Dronfield Derbyshire with
William Penn Head Head 47 Spade Maker Born Haygreen Worcs
Eliza Penn Wife 43 Born Laxton Notts
Henry Penn Son 9 Born Dronfield Derbyshire
Sarah Penn Daur. 3 Born Dronfield Derbyshire
Wilkinson Hatton Boarder Wid 57 Labourer Born Stourbridge

1891 Lower Swinford
William Juckes Head 54 Agricultural Labourer Born Stourbridge
Elizabeth Juckes Wife 43 Born Stourbridge
Mary A Juckes Daur. 23 Domestic servant Born Oldbury
Wilkinson Hatton Father in Law Wid. 67 Moulder Born Stourbridge Asthma is last column

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1844
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HATTON Wilkinson WALL Mary A Oldswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 003/002/3

Marriage details
Dec 25 1844 St Mary Oldswinford
Wilkinson Hatton Full age Bachelor Spade Moulder Living Stourbridge Father Thomas Hatton Watchman
Mary Ann Wall Full age Spinster Dress Maker Living Stourbridge Father John Wall Labourer Dec.
Wit: Joseph Cartwright and Mary Cartwright
All signed with X

Deaths Jun 1891
Hatton Wilkinson 68 Stourbridge 6c 96

Maria Freeman
1841 Dawn Side Norton Herefordshire
William Freeman 40 Ag Lab
Maria Freeman 45
Mary Wall 17 Glover
Elizabeth Phillips 20 Ag Lab
All born in County

1851 Windmill Street Stourbridge
Mary Cartwright Head Wid 58 Charwoman Born Chadsley Worcs
Mariah Freeman Lodger Wid. 71 Charwoman Born Bromyard Herefordshire
Elizabeth Parks Visi. Un. 21 Dress Maker Born Thingnorta Worcs (Kingsnorton)
John Silvester Lodger 20 Painter Born Worcester
Walter Cartwright Nephew 11 Scholar Born West Bromwich Warwickshire

1861 ? Lane Kingswinford
Benjamin Bawldwin Head Widower 22 Furnace man Born Kingswinford
Maria Fruman Boarder Widow 83 Nurse Born Bristol
Edward Yardley Visitor Married 26 Warehouse Man Born Wolverhampton

1871 Chawnhill Road Oldswinford
Miras Freeman Head W. 49 Parish Relief Born Manchester
Mary A Hatton Gr Daur 18 Lab in Brick works Born Oldswinford
William Hatton Son in Law Wid 49 Spade Moulder Born Oldswinford

[Northern Lass]

Mary ann wall has father John Wall
so if that is her mother Maria then that must be a second marriage for Maria

found this
could be her 1st marriage
look at the name Phillips

JOHN WALL
Marriages:
Spouse: MARY PHILLIPPS
Marriage: 13 MAR 1822 Hampton Bishop, Hereford,
Extracted marriage record

[kdw]

All info added, don't know what you want to do with this now.
Kaye

[sueh]

Mary ann wall has father John Wall
so if that is her mother Maria then that must be a second marriage for Maria

found this
could be her 1st marriage
look at the name Phillips

JOHN WALL
Marriages:
Spouse: MARY PHILLIPPS
Marriage: 13 MAR 1822 Hampton Bishop, Hereford,
Extracted marriage record

i know about that marriage but noway to prove it he died before the cencus
started