*UPDATE look up done!* --Joseph Rose b abt 1847

[mumbles]

Nl,
The same marriage day confirms for me and I will add all Census other details as well today ot tomorrow
We still have not found Ann/Nancy maiden name as although Adams on Ancestry I do not trust.
Also Matilda is still a mystery

[Jimmy]

Possible marriage for William and Nancy/Ann. Extracted.

WILLIAM ROSE.
ANN ADAMS.
Marriage, 23 MAY 1836, Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester.

[Northern Lass]

Ok think Mumbles is kindly sorting all this
so flagging now to archive

[mumbles]

Nl, Have added all the Rose info but Getha Rose brother of Joseph Rose married a Joseph Mole who I believe is already on bcc:-
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =350196044
On 1881 Census they are living with Joseph Mole's mother Ann so I think a little burrowing is needed to follow these Moles.
I am also following the mystery of Matilda Rose and also the Daniels family

[mumbles]

I am pretty sure the Moles are same family as 1881 Census has brother John Mole aged 36 and Joseph aged 30 which ties up with Ann Unknown's children on bcc
1881 Census 55 Birmingham Road Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Ann Mole Head (w) 66 Nail Maker
John Mole son 36 Rivet Maker
Joseph Mole son 28 Rivet Maker
Getha Mole dau.in.law Nail Maker
Eliza Mole grd. dau 9 Scholar
Joseph Mole grd.son 7 Scholar
William Mole grd.son 5
Alfred Mole 1mth
All born Rowley Regis

1891 Census 55 Birmingham Road Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Joseph Mole Head 40 Rivet Maker
Getha Mole wife 41 Nailer
Joseph Mole son 17 Rivet Maker
William Mole son 15 Lab. in Rivet Shop
Agnes Mole dau 8 Scholar
Frank Mole son 5 Scholar
Fred Mole son 3
? Mole son 1week
William Daniels broth.in.law 30 Lab.
Polly Daniels wife 28 Washerwoman
Alice Daniels dau 12 Scholar
Tilda Daniels dau 2
All born Rowley Regis

1901 Census 55 Birmingham Road Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Joseph Mole Head 50 Iron Bolt Maker
Getha Mole wife 48
William Mole son 25 Iron Bolt Screwer
Agnes Mole dau 18
Frank Mole son 15
Fred Mole 13
All born Rowley Regis

[Northern Lass]

will add this mumbles
1872
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ROSE Getha MOLE Joseph Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/029/307


if you feel it is good enuff to connect do so and I will confirm fathers
Samuel Mole
and
Willam Rose

[Northern Lass]

Ok I think we should connect Getha and Joseph mole to Samuel and Ann so will do that

but I have a query on this lot

is Ann unknown this Ann Willetts

did he marry 2 anns?
think we looked at this prev


there seems to be this lot
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... nd=6504182

1851 census Blackheath RR
Samuel Mole h 56 mar nailer b RR
Ann Mole wife 40 b RR
Paarai son 24 b RR
Keterah dau 20
Thomas son 11
John 8
Samuel 3
Joseph 3mths

so this ann b abt 1811

and this one b 1812 in 1861 and b 1815 in 1881

1861 census Blackheath RR
Ann Mole widow head 49 nail maker b RR
Thomas Mole son un 21 nail maker b RR
John Mole son un 18 b RR
Samuel Mole son un 13 b RR
Joseph Mole son un 10 b RR

1881 Census 55 Birmingham Road Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Ann Mole Head (w) 66 Nail Maker
John Mole son 36 Rivet Maker
Joseph Mole son 28 Rivet Maker
Getha Mole dau.in.law Nail Maker
Eliza Mole grd. dau 9 Scholar
Joseph Mole grd.son 7 Scholar
William Mole grd.son 5
Alfred Mole 1mth
All born Rowley Regis

surely the same Ann

[Northern Lass]

Can someone have a look at the 1851 please
are John, samuel and Joseph down as sons too

1851 census Blackheath RR
Samuel Mole h 56 mar nailer b RR
Ann Mole wife 40 b RR
Paarai son 24 b RR
Keterah dau 20
Thomas son 11
John 8
Samuel 3
Joseph 3mths

[Northern Lass]

hmm the one with Ann Willetts marries in 1814

10 Apr 1814
Harborne


so must be 2 Anns

[Northern Lass]

Mumbles I have connected up Joseph to Samuel and ann

but not got time to add all that detail sorry

but will do the look up

[kdw]

John Samuel and Joseph are down as sons in 1851

[Northern Lass]

Thanks kdw

I have also asked for a birth cert for Joseph then realised that sent it to dudley and it should be Sandwell
doh!
there is one Jospeh Mole in 1850 and one in 1851 I think he might be the Oldbury one in 1851 but then again could be the one in 1850

can we narrow down when he is born
then I can find out his mothers name

[Northern Lass]

I think it is the 1851 one but will check the fathers name is Samuel on marriage and then say I only want it if father is Samuel

archived pend look up

[Northern Lass]

Brought back for info

Marriage info by Jan<br>
6 May 1872 St Thomas Dudley<br>
Joseph Mole - 21- bach- Rivetmaker- Dudley- Samuel Mole dead- nailer<br>
Getha Rose- 20 spinster- Dudley- William Rose dead- Rivet maker<br>
Joseph signed / X Getha<br>
Banns<br>
X William Thompson/ X Phebe Darbey


http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =905530620

Unless we wish to run with more on this I will rearchive

[Jimmy]

Possible marriage for Samuel and Ann Unknown,

SAMUEL MOLE.
NANCY DINGLEY.
Marriage, 26 JUN 1836. Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester.