dianel wrote:1841 At High St., Hales Owen, Shropshire Edward Grove 38 Bricklayer Y Phebe Grove 48 Y Priscilla Grove 12 Y Matilda Grove 8 Y George Grove 6 Y
Interesting ... just 2 entries earlier there is a Joseph Harris jnr who is a button maker.
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go to google and type in archive.org
then type in halesowen in search
for some reason all the links ive posted are ok to me ?
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EDWARD GROVE MARY FIDDEAN Marriage: 01 OCT 1799 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick,
extracts from the book
will of edward above
The father Edward dates his Will at Dudley in 1837, but as it is endorsed "formerly of Dudley but late of Halesowen " he probably returned to his native place between 1837, and 1842 when he died, and at Halesowen he was buried 13 May 1842 aged 64. His wife Mary Fiddean was then living.
Upon trust to pay and equally divide the same unto and amongst all and every my children namely William, Edward, Samuel and Josiah Grove, Sarah the Wife of the said William Hollies, George Grove, David, Mary Matilda & James Grove (see below) to be vested interests in such of my said children as are already of age at the time of my decease and in such of them as shall be infants at my decease on their attaining twenty-one or marriage
I appoint my said Wife and my said Son in law William Hollies executors of this my Will hereby revoking all former Wilis by me made I declare this to be my last Will and Testament
Proved in the Consistory Court of Worcester the 13"' day of September 1842 by Mary Grove, Widow, the Relict and William Hollies the Executors. Under £20. Died 9"' May 1842.
The Family of James (son of Edward) [Communicated]
James, born 1824, youngest son of Edward by Mary Fiddean, married 9 Dec. 1845 A"" Elizabeth Rose at the Independent Chapel, Halesowen, and had a family of eleven :-
1. Harriet Ann, mar. to Charles Eveson, died 29 April 1877 aged 29.
2. Eliza Jane, mar. to George Hill.
3. George Frederick, married Margaret Ann Jeffrey.
4. William Henry, married Martha Jane Fellowes.
5. Thomas, died young.
6. Arthur James, married Eliza Jane Jeffrey, and has issue :
(i) Arthur James, b. 1879, has issue, Marjorie, Reginald James, and Muriel Elizabeth, (ii) Florence Ann, b. 1880. (iii) Francis Harold, b. 1882, has issue Eric, (iv) Edgar Clifford, b. 1885. (v) Margaret Jane, b. 1887. 201795B (vi) Frederick. Edward, b. 1889. (vii) Laura Mabel, b. 1891. (viii) Elizabeth Marion, b. 1894.
7. Rose Elizabeth, died 25 August 1864,
8. Walter, married Elizabeth Fry Jones.
9. Juliet Phoebe, mar. to Edward Daniel Weston.
10. Alfred Edward, married May Hewitt.
11. Ernest Harry, married Katharine Barnsley.
The father, James, died 4 Dec. 1886, and the mother on Lady Day 1904, aged -]-].
if we can tie the groves we got in to this lot them ican post edwards brothers and sister what do you think no point in putting on all the info untill weve worked out were this lot goes ?
A person should have an opinion on everything, It becomes tact whether you reveal that opinion or not.
Arthur J. GROVE 25 Halesowen, Worcester, Button Manufacturer Eliza J. GROVE 23 Coventry, Warwick, Arthur J. GROVE 2 Halesowen, Worcester, Florence A. GROVE 4 m Halesowen, Worcester, Elizabeth JEFFREY Visitor U 31 Scotland Dressmaker
marriage
GROVE Arthur J JEFFREY Eliza J 1878 Halesowen, St John the Baptist West Midlands Dudley Register Office 014/004/315
1891 Stourbridge rd, Hawne
Arthur J Grove 35 button manf Eliza J Grove 33 coventry Arthur J Grove 12 Florence A Grove 10 Francis H Grove 8 Edgar C Grove 5 Margaret J Grove 3 Frederick E Grove 2 Laura M Grove 3/12
all rest halesowen
1901, stourbridge rd, hawne
Arthur J Grove 45 Eliza J Grove 44 Arthur J Grove 21 Florence A Grove 20 Francis H Grove 18 Edgar C Grove 15 Margaret J Grove 13 Frederick E Grove 12 Laura M Grove 10 Elizabeth M Grove 7 M A Blakeway 20 sevant
2 doors up
Ann E Erwe 74 (Grove on image) Edith Eveson 25 grandaug Sarah Hill 22 servant
parents edward grove and mary fiddean not edward and pheobe see passage in red above
I agree with Peter. The Will, Peter's informant and the 1841 census all indicate that James is the youngest son of Edward 1778 and Mary Fiddean/Fiddian. It seems likely that it is James' older brother, Edward 1803, who married Phoebe Silk.
So, it looks like: Joseph Grove & Hannah Stringer I Samuel Grove b. abt 1735 & Esther Taylor I Edward b. abt 1778 & Mary Fiddean _____________ I_______________ I I Edward 1803_______________ James 1824 m. Phoebe Silk______________m. Ann Elizabeth Rose
Also next to Edward & Mary in 1841 are: Thomas Grove 40 b. abt 1801 nailor Y Mary Grove 40 b. abt 1801 nailor Y
Thomas Grove one of Edward and Mary's children?
And ... In 1861, on the same page as James & Ann Elizabeth, are: William Grove Head 61 b. abt 1800 Retired Publican b. Halesowen Fanny Grove Wife 61 b. Halesowen Charles Grove Son 30 b. abt 1831 Halesowen
William is the right age to be James' eldest brother.
Birth: About 1735 Of, Halesowen, Worcester, Burial: 03 JAN 1800 Halesowen, Worcester,
Father: Joseph Grove Mother: Hannah Stringer
Spouse: Esther Taylor Marriage: 04 FEB 1760
Submitted: Joseph Grove Christening: 27 FEB 1713 Halesowen, Worcester, England Death: 15 MAR 1784 Father: JOSEPH GROVE Mother: HANNAH BUTLER Spouse: Hannah Stringer Marriage: 01 SEP 1734
Same person, another submitted entry: Joseph Grove Birth: Of, Halesowen, Worcester, England Christening: 27 FEB 1713 Death: 15 MAR 1784 Gunnington, Halesowen, Worcester, England Burial: 22 MAR 1784 Father: Joseph Grove Mother: Hannah Butler Spouse: Hannah Stringer Marriage: 01 SEP 1734
Joseph Grove Christening: 20 FEB 1680 Halesowen, Worcester, England Burial: 07 JUN 1715 Father: Daniel Grove Mother: Elizabeth Standley Spouse: Hannah Butler Marriage: 04 OCT 1710
Daniel Grove Birth: 1643 Of Hawn, Halesowen, Worcester, England Burial: 15 NOV 1696 Halesowen, Worcester, England Father: James Grove Mother: Anne Perks Spouse: Elizabeth Standley Marriage: 22 APR 1680 Halesowen, Worcester, England
'Allo, 'allo ... There's a familiar sound to this one. Can't see them on BCC though.
