Jane Davies 1839-1892

[Frodo]

I have just been looking at death information for John, there are a lot of John's who lived in Worcestershire, so far the best I have found is a John Davies who died June 1840 with Martley as the death registration date(vol 18 page 317) but that doesn't explain the lack of his name in 1839

[grangers14]

I wondered if John passed away before Sarah was born or Mary pregnant and is that why she is down as single?
I don't know if the original Parish death record will show place of death for John Davis?

Found this too?
Christening. 30th June 1811. Holt.
William Kitson. Parents William and Mary Kitson

Christening. 27th December 1812. Holt.
Hannah Kitson. Parents, William and Mary Kitson

Christening. 15th May 1814. Holt.
Susanna Kitson. Parents, William and Mary Kitson

Christening. 27th March 1817. Holt.
Thomas Kitson. Parents, William and Mary Kitson

[kdwoodie]

Possible for John Davis
Name: John Davis
Gender: Male
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 Apr 1801
Baptism Place: Holt, Worcestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Holt
Father:
Thomas Davis
Mother:
Elizabeth Davis
Ancestry Image
12 April 1801 John Son of Thomas and Elizabeth Davis

England Marriages, 1538–1973
Marriage 9 November 1835
Holt, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Sarah Kitson
John Davis
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Holt Parish Church
John Davis of this Parish a bachelor and Sarah Kitson of this Parish a spinster were married in this church by Banns this ninth day of November in the Year One thousand eight hundred and thirty five . By me John Foley Rector
This marriage was solemnized between us The mark of John Davis The mark of Sarah Kitson .In the presence of us The mark of William Kitson the mark of Susan Kitson
Were William and Susan Sarahs siblings ?

Name: John Davis
Death Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1809
Death Date: abt 1835
Burial Date: 18 Nov 1835
Burial Place: Holt, Worcestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Holt
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John Davis Holt 18th Nov 1835 26 John Foley Rector

Name: John Davis
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 17 Feb 1836
Baptism Place: Holt, Worcestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Holt
Father:
John Davis
Mother:
Sarah Davis
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17 Feb 1836 John son of John and Sarah Davis Holt Labourer John Foley Rector

Jane Davis.
Record Type: Baptism.
Baptism Date: 16 Jun 1839.
Baptism Place: Holt, Worcestershire.
Parish as it Appears: Holt.
Mother: Sarah Davis, single woman.
Ancestry image
16 June 1839 Jane Daughter of Sarah Davis Holt Single Woman John Foley Rector

John died nine days after he and Sarah married, Sarah was pregnant with John Jr .
Janes father was obviously not John Davis as grangers said perhaps Sarah told Jane her father was John to save face. I did notice the Rector was the same person on records .
I dont know why Sarah put single when she married Samuel perhaps because she was only married nine days to John. The witness on her marriage to Samuel was also a William Kitson (brother?)

I did notice that William Randle son of Samuel and Sarah married Ann Kitson
Name: Ann Kitson
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 11 Feb 1866
Marriage Place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
Spouse:
William Randle
FHL Film Number: 378778, 378779, 378780, 378781, 378782, 378783, 378784, 378785

Ann Kitson was the daughter of Thomas Kitson (Sarahs brother christened 1817) and Mary Oliver

KITSON, ANN OLIVER
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in DROITWICH UNION Volume 18 Page 269

[Jimmy]

There isn't a birth record on the GRO for a Jane Davis/Davies.

[Jimmy]

They appear to be in a place of their own. The place previous to that entry...
1841. Holt School, Holt, Martley.
William Nott, 45, Boat Builder
Mary, 40, School Mistress
Louisa, 20,
All born in County

Place after is the Red Lion Inn

Before the School it listed as Road Fields?

I think Mary is the mother of Sarah's so John was staying with his grandmother?

Here is a picture of the Red Lion Inn,

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tC5hM9Gyz5KgDeuX6

[grangers14]

Marriage 9 November 1835
Holt, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Sarah Kitson
John Davis
Ancestry Image
Holt Parish Church
John Davis of this Parish a bachelor and Sarah Kitson of this Parish a spinster were married in this church by Banns this ninth day of November in the Year One thousand eight hundred and thirty five . By me John Foley Rector
This marriage was solemnized between us The mark of John Davis The mark of Sarah Kitson .In the presence of us The mark of William Kitson the mark of Susan Kitson
Were William and Susan Sarahs siblings ?

Yes I think so, adds up to the christenings I put...Susan instead of Susanna

[Frodo]

I have been looking through the new posts and the information I have on Ancestry and it does all seem to add up. Perhaps if John Davis senior is not Jane's father but is John's father that is why in the 1841 Census Jane is with Sarah and Samuel but John is with Mary. She may have taken him in because he was her grandson but not accepted Jane because she was not related.
All the other family members match information I have.
There does not seem to be any hints that help with John Davis seniors parents.
The research is for my cousin in America whose grandmother was Isabel Payton so Jane is her Great Great Grandmother. I have been sending a daily report of the Forum posts so will send the information about Jane's parentage to see what she says.

[Frodo]

There is a discrepancy of 8 years between the death information for John and the possible birth record you found but the birth location makes sense. I know people did not always know the correct dates but does 1801 rather than 1809 make sense?

[kdwoodie]

I have been looking through the new posts and the information I have on Ancestry and it does all seem to add up. Perhaps if John Davis senior is not Jane's father but is John's father that is why in the 1841 Census Jane is with Sarah and Samuel but John is with Mary. She may have taken him in because he was her grandson but not accepted Jane because she was not related.
All the other family members match information I have.
There does not seem to be any hints that help with John Davis seniors parents.
The research is for my cousin in America whose grandmother was Isabel Payton so Jane is her Great Great Grandmother. I have been sending a daily report of the Forum posts so will send the information about Jane's parentage to see what she says.

You say Jane was not related to Mary, she was her grandaughter as Sarah was her daughter.

The dates for John Snr are plausible.

On the 1841 census there is Holt Wharf then Road Fields then Holt School. Between Holt Wharf and Road Fields there are
John Powell 75 Ag Lab Born in County
Thomas Davis 78 Ag Lab Born in County
Elizabeth Davis 70 Born in County

[Frodo]

Sorry yes my mistake, Jane was the granddaughter. It makes sense that Thomas and Elizabeth are related to John given how close they lived. Perhaps John was only stayed with his grandmother at the time of the 1841 Census given the family was complete in the following Censuses.
Should Jane be Davis or Davies, likewise with both John's given that is the most used spelling on the records?

[grangers14]

I have added some extra info
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =974050460

I don't think we can add any more info Frodo that is certain?

[Frodo]

I have just looked at the Connection entry. I think all the information is there but I do wonder whether the surname should be changed to Davis. It seems to be Davies on her marriage details and on the 1841 Census and Davis on everything else.
For the 1841 Census Raidy is actually Randle if you look at the original, just transcribed incorrectly.
In my Ancestry hints for William and Mary Kitson there is death information for William - in England, Select Deaths and Burials he is buried 1st January 1829 in Holt. There is no birth information, the nearest are some in Shropshire but spelt Kidson.

[Frodo]

I will ask my cousin in America to look as well as it is her family

[grangers14]

It's very difficult Frodo with surnames. A lot on BCC used to be a general known name. Some have been changed recently as the name changes and a note added.
I think for now we should leave it as Davies.

[Frodo]

That's fine by me, I know there are a lot of discrepancies on records. As far as I know my cousin hasn't looked yet. Because of the time difference I often get replies waiting for me the next morning.
Could the 1841 Census be looked at again though as Rainy is a completely different name and it definitely looks like Randle to me.