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geoff3d wrote:yes correct Annie maria smith and edward are the parents of noah robert it`s his wife i need Hill and others
Geoff

Have you got the full marriage info you can transcribe pls.

The hill marriage do you have that to Noah?

DAVIES Edward 19 b 9 Nov 1890 Burnisher John Street James Davies Puddler SMITH Ann Maria B Ettingshall

doesn't have full info on the online site
missing her fathers name and wits.

Freereg
Staffordshire
Ettingshall
Holy Trinity
09 Nov 1890
Edward DAVIES 19 Burnisher John Street James DAVIES Puddler
Ann Maria SMITH 19 John Street James SMITH Labourer

Thanks kdw will add that

Geoff what have you got already?

Have you got the Robert N Davies marriage ?
if so can you transcribe it on here?

re any children do you have any names that you know?

there are loads on free bmd with surname davies and mother hill
you would need the birth certifs.

And also re that family

why were they called Pains did you ever find out?

Thanks no I do not have his certificate, I have all of his family parents and brothers him up to 1939, it`s his wife and children I am looking for The name pains stopped in his line before his time but still continues with his relatives in the north, where they moved as Puddlers but that is another day.
Mucho Geoff

geoff3d wrote:Had 3 on the 1939 register free view
Davies Household (5 People)
2 Parkyn Street , Wolverhampton C.B., Staffordshire, England
Noah R Davies 01 Feb 1891 Builders Labourer Brickworks
Mary A Davies 05 Jan 1900 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Ann M Davies 18 Apr 1871 Unpaid Domestic Duties

Could not see a similar for mary Ann Hill
Thanks Rocky

So if this is your Noah and it looks like it
then the marriage in 1921 looks a possible
Ancestry
Name: Robert N Davies
Registration Date: Jan 1921
[Feb 1921]
[Mar 1921]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Spouse: Mary A Hill
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 1271

would need sending for unless church is known and then could be looked up by archives.

I've searched on here as I knew I'd seen the answer to our pain/payne question before.
Found this

viewtopic.php?f=78&t=6334&p=79855&hilit=Noah+payne#p79855

This is interesting

the name pains Paynes
PAYNE, SYLVIA WOODALL
GRO Reference: 1845 S Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 259

I am curious now as to why this name was given to Noah he marries as that.
and it will be interesting to see how all the children are named
and any bapts.

There is something more to it if the kids are regis as that.

Won't let me quote this as post is locked

Quote from previous post

" Smethwick Archives said this was a habit from Christ Church Oldbury.

The Vicar handed the paperwork over a 3rd party to fill in the details for registration.

If they could not read the marraige register they subsitituted "Pain" for the surname.

They were going to get the Bishop of Lichfield to provide the church register so they could correct all the "Pain" marriages.

To be honest I'm not sure that is what has happened here. The 1851 census could be a simple transcription error where Davis has been read and then re-written as Pains ie the D has been read as P, and vi as in - that is all it takes. But that would not explain the birth of Thomas Payne in 1836, or the marriage in 1835 for Woodall and Paine.
It does look as though Noah used both names and then settled on Davis "

Thanks Rocky it may be she was not then in Wolverhampton possibly Dudley,tipton etc, Geoff

thanks after Noah I have births and marriage certifs for the children as Pain Pains Penn Payne etc, but all going on to use Davis Davies.
Noah was registered 1813 as davis and his brother Thomas 1815 who went on to Rochdale retaining Davis then a brother William Pain followed and used that mame mostly spreading up to warrington Manchester etc
my conclusion was his Mother Mary remarried a Pain hence he married as Pain, She must have died circa 1851, and everyone reverted to Davis again.
example
About Pain Davis, William Henry
PAINE, WILLIAM HENRY Mother PETERS
at Kates Hill
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 262

1841 Freebodies Dudley
William Davis 20 Puddler
Gheeny 20 ( Jane )
Elizabeth 20 freebodies
William 5 mnths PAINE, WILLIAM HENRY
Mary 70 Poss Wm Mother Mary was born about 1781 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire,
And living next door to The parents of Eliza Woodall Wife of Noah Davis
James Woodall age 65 b 1773, St Johns Road Dudley in
It`s a SAGA and an ongoing puzzle
But one day eureka you never know

Hi MJ, I still look at that one but am concentrating on trying to find more recent relatives and contacts including America, Australia
see my reply to Nothern resting on that for the time being.
Thanks Geoff
who knows maybe the next census will help ?/ but I am 78 now....

So Mjay how do you connect to these davies's

Northern Lass wrote:So Mjay how do you connect to these davies's

My great great grandparents
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My great grandparents
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