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Jimmy wrote:1901. 40 Northfield Road. Dudley.
John Hill 50.
Esther Hill 50.
Harry Hill 18. son.
Josiah Knight 23. son in law.
Esther Knight 23. dau.
Josiah Knight 9 Days. grandson.

Next door address on marriage cert.
George Baker- 22- bach Labourer- 62 Northfield Rd - James Baker- dead- miner
Lizzie Hill- 21- spinster- 41a Northfield Rd - John Hill- Iron Worker
banns
both signed
Wit- David Hill and Hannah Baker.

rockyfowler wrote:25 Dec 1867 St Thomas Dudley
John HILL 19 B Labourer Dudley Father Jo (Crossed Out) Blank
Esther GREAVES 17 S Dudley Father Henry Greaves Sythe Grinder
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Charles Read X/ Eliza Read X

Esther Greaves father Henry living at 41 Northfield Road in 1901,

1901. 41 Northfield Road, Dudley.
Nancy Capewell 33. married.
Lily Capewell 10. dau,
Annie Capewell 8. dau.
Harry Capewell 6. son.
Henry Greaves 73. Widow. Father. Scythe grinder.
Esther Lloyd 19.
All born Dudley.

1871. 41 Northfield Road, Dudley.
Henry Greaves 43. Scythe Grinder.
Esther Greaves 40.
John Greaves 14. son.
Henry Greaves 8. son.
Nancy Greaves 3. dau.
Richard Hughes 20. boarder.
John Hill 23. lodger. Labourer in iron works. Cradley.
Esther Hill 20. wife.
David Hill 2. son.

Others born Netherton.

Ancestry, 
Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937.

Henry Greaves. 21. Bachelor. Grinder. Father David Greaves. Ginder.
Esther Price . 19. Spinster. Father John Price miner.

Marriage Date:
12 Jun 1848.
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Martin, Warwickshire, Parish as it Appears Birmingham, St Martin.

Jimmy wrote:1871. 41 Northfield Road, Dudley.
Henry Greaves 43. Scythe Grinder.
Esther Greaves 40.
John Greaves 14. son.
Henry Greaves 8. son.
Nancy Greaves 3. dau.
Richard Hughes 20. boarder.
John Hill 23. lodger. Labourer in iron works. Cradley.
Esther Hill 20. wife.
David Hill 2. son.

Others born Netherton.

Witness on marriage ?

mallosa wrote:That's exactly what I was thinking Jimmy, was she christened Elizabeth

I can't see any christenings.

This sounds interesting. There seems a Darby End connection with the Greaves, and a canal wharf at Darby End.. Grandad George Baker Lizzie husband later became a grinder for the money we were told. The dust got to him and caused his cancer according to my mother. No industrial compensation in those days. Alfred 34 and Alice Lavinia Baynham 37 and kids Alfred and Blanch lived at no 2 Bank Street in 1911 the two Hill families could be connected impossible to unravel too many Hills. think we have found Harry.

Every thing I have posted seem to fit.

Jimmy wrote:1871. 41 Northfield Road, Dudley.
Henry Greaves 43. Scythe Grinder.
Esther Greaves 40.
John Greaves 14. son.
Henry Greaves 8. son.
Nancy Greaves 3. dau.
Richard Hughes 20. boarder.
John Hill 23. lodger. Labourer in iron works. Cradley.
Esther Hill 20. wife.
David Hill 2. son.

Others born Netherton.

1861: Northfield Road, Dudley, Worc
Henry Greaves 34 Sythe Grinder
Esther Greaves 32
Ann Greaves 12 Nailer
Esther Greaves 10
John Greaves 5
Hagar Greaves 2
(all born Dudley)

1851: Darby End, Dudley, Staffs
Henry Greaves 22 Head Sythe Grinder
Esther Greaves 21 Wife
Ann Greaves 2 Dau
Esther Graves 4 Mo Dau
(all born Dudley)

2 doors away are John Greaves 30 & wife Elizabeth 32 with their children

adding this to BCC

Think I have found Harry 1911 census 20 Meredith Street Cradley Heath Spade and shovel grinder. Wife Emily Hill. this fits one of dads relatives gave him a garden fork and spade as a wedding present. We still have them. Kids John Henry, Harry Ivan, and Samuel George

21 Jan 1906 St Luke Reddal Hill
Harry HILL 22 B Striker Cradley Heath Father John Hill Furnace Man
Emily WOODALL 22 S Cradley Heath Father William Woodall Chain Maker
After Banns Both Signed
Wit; James Ball / Mary Ann Ball

Is this Emily? http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=404763

I have disconnected the other lizzie and put her now here
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... d=28715918

so that looks good brother david hill witness at wedding and possible birth mother greaves

san can you add rest?

Will do Jan, well done lads!

This John Hill is the wrong one on BCC,
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=404768

1911: 45 Winson or Winsor St, Ladywood Bham
Arthur Smith 50 Head Steel Tubes Welder Great Bridge married 28 yrs
Hannah Smith 50 Wife - children: 8/6/2
William Smith 21 Son Millery Mechine Cutter
Samuel Smith 17 Son Mechanical Engineer(assistant)Swan Village, Staffs
Ernest Smith 15 Son Fitters Apprentice
Sophney Smith 8 Son Birmingham, Warwickshire
John Hill 60 Brother-in-law Widowed Iron Moulder
(others born Tipton)

should be this one, see 1901 census.

1911. 79 Northfield Rd, Netherton.
John Hill 64. labouer. iron works.
Esther Hill 56.
Josiah Kite 30. son in law.
Esther Kite 29. dau. married
Josiah Kite 10. grand child.
Ettie Kite 9. grand child.
Hary Kite 5. grand child.

Married 42 years, 9 children 4 died.

All born Dudley.

ok thanks Jimmy, I've taken that one off