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Re: Fudge - Dudley, Tipton & Sedgley.
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:26 am
by Northern Lass
are there any bapts for Wm fudges kids
the wm fudge born abt 1806...cos if wife sarah dies 1837...then those kids from after that will have a diff mother
somat strange here re who he marries.....
need bapt or certif info anyone find ought?
Re: Fudge - Dudley, Tipton & Sedgley.
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:40 am
by markfudge
Hello Again
I think I've made some mistaken connections having looked on the links on BCC for William Fudge (1808-1891). I think he was the son of William and Sarah Jane Perry (married Sedgley 1803).
I was assuming that the marriage 1834 St Martin's Tipton was him (wllm 1808-1891), and that he was a widower at the time. However, I think now that this wasn't him. Looking at census returns he seems to have married an Eliza who died in 1848 (just ordered a death cert.) However, I can find no marriage or burial details on FreeReg for their marriage, or indeed the baptism of their children. William Fudge (1835-1866) did name his daughter Eliza (1859-1927) which is perhaps another clue?
Are there substantial chunks of records missing or not transcribed for the area? I'm planning a manual search methinks.
Re: Fudge - Dudley, Tipton & Sedgley.
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:52 am
by Northern Lass
Ok...I will amend on Bcc...
so could it be that wm snr snr marries 2 perry girls?
Re: Fudge - Dudley, Tipton & Sedgley.
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:59 am
by Northern Lass
free reg
Field Value
County Worcestershire
Place Dudley
Church name St Thomas
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 1396
Burial date 02 Apr 1848
Person age 42
Burial person forename Eliza
Burial person surname FUDGE
Burial person abode Harts Hill
Relationship
Male relative forename
Female relative forename
Relative surname
Register note Died 29 Mar
Re: Fudge - Dudley, Tipton & Sedgley.
Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:03 am
by Northern Lass
This would be interesting if you sent for it would give mothers name
1840
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
FUDGE Prudence Dudley (DUD) Dudley Register Office DUD/008/51
Re: Fudge - Dudley, Tipton & Sedgley.
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:14 am
by peterd
Northern Lass wrote:Free reg
Staffordshire
Place Tipton
Church name St Martin
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 1442
Marriage date 24 Feb 1834
Groom forename William
Groom surname FUDGE
Groom condition widower
Groom abode Tipton
Bride forename Sarah
Bride surname PERRY
Bride condition widow
Bride abode Tipton
Witness Thomas SMITH
Witness Thomas SHORTHOUSE
Register note Groom, bride and witness 1 sign X
both srn and jrn marry a sarah perry
Re: Fudge - Dudley, Tipton & Sedgley.
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:18 am
by peterd
ODM
William Fudge
Sarah Perry
Event Date 11 Sep 1803 Sedgley,Stafford,
think these are their kids poss some eairler one somewhere
peterd wrote:siblings
ODM
Mary Ann Fudge
Christening 28 Mar 1813 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,
Father's Willm. Fudge
Mother's Sarah
Name Pharoah Fudge
Christening 29 May 1814 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,
Father's Willm. Fudge
Mother's Sarah
Ann Fudge
Christening 16 Mar 1817 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,
Father's Willm. Fudge
Mother's Sarah
Maria Fudge
Christening Date 01 Mar 1818 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,
Father's Willm. Fudge
Mother's Sarah
Lavina Fudge
Christening 28 Nov 1819 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,
Father's Willm. Fudge
Mother's Sarah
Joice Fudge
Christening Date 07 Apr 1822 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,
Father's Name Willm. Fudge
Mother's Name Sarah
Emanuel Fudge
Christening Date 18 May 1823 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,
Father's Name William Fudge
Mother's Name Sarah
Sarah Fudge
Christening Date 14 Aug 1825 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,
Father's Name Willm. Fudge
Mother's Name Sarah
Re: Fudge - Dudley, Tipton & Sedgley.
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:32 am
by peterd
Northern Lass wrote:This would be interesting if you sent for it would give mothers name
1840
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
FUDGE Prudence Dudley (DUD) Dudley Register Office DUD/008/51
1841 Hart,s hill, Dudley
William Fudge 30
Eliza Fudge 30
William Fudge 15
William Fudge 8
Sarah Fudge 10
Mary Fudge 6
Eliza Fudge 3
Prudence Fudge 1
1851
William Fudge 45
Delilah Fudge 35
William Fudge 15
Eliza Fudge 13
Prudence Fudge 9
Amy Fudge 6
ages all over the place unless two different
Re: Fudge - Dudley, Tipton & Sedgley.
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:52 am
by peterd
poss death for william
FUDGE - William of Dudley, Worcestershire died 22 march 1891 probate London 5th October to Matilda Horton ( wife of Thomas Horton) Effects £10
1901; 8 George St, Dudley
Thomas Horton 40 miner
Matilda Horton 47
Thomas Horton 27 miner
David Horton 15 factory hand
Harry Horton 13 factory hand
Mary A Horton 12
Matilda Horton 10
Jane E Horton 6
all born dudley
FUDGE Matilda HORSON Thomas 1877 Lower Gornal, St James West Midlands Dudley Register Office 215/004/472
Re: Fudge - Dudley, Tipton & Sedgley.
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:30 am
by markfudge
peterd wrote:Northern Lass wrote:Free reg
Staffordshire
Place Tipton
Church name St Martin
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 1442
Marriage date 24 Feb 1834
Groom forename William
Groom surname FUDGE
Groom condition widower
Groom abode Tipton
Bride forename Sarah
Bride surname PERRY
Bride condition widow
Bride abode Tipton
Witness Thomas SMITH
Witness Thomas SHORTHOUSE
Register note Groom, bride and witness 1 sign X
both srn and jrn marry a sarah perry
I always thought this, i'll order a birth certificate for Prudance Fudge, this should clarify things. At the moment it seems that there are a number of William Fudge's floating around the locality at this time, one marries Maria Weal, one an Eliza and the other Sarah Perry - I think she dies in 1837 (free reg Burial 10 Jan 1837 St Martin's Tipton). If this is the case then she couldn't be the mother of the children and then William Fudge (1808-1891) waits a long time to then marry Delilah Massey.
Thanks for all the help and input, I thought this would be easy as it's an uncommon surname for the locality...
Re: Fudge - Dudley, Tipton & Sedgley.
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:43 am
by Northern Lass
I think that birth certif would be a good idea see if mother is a Sarah Perry or Eliza unknown.
The trouble is Wm snr snr might marry 2 sarah Perrys.
or Wm snr marries Sarah perry she dies in 1837 and he is then with Eliza unk and then Delilah
can you let us know the info on the birth certif when you get it?
Re: Fudge - Dudley, Tipton & Sedgley.--awaiting birth info
Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:44 am
by Northern Lass
going to archive this pending birth info do let us know when you get the info
then we can bring back this thread.
