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gardener wrote:

sp1 wrote:There is a marriage on the IGI (ODM):

10 Oct 1819, St Thomas, Dudley
Ferdinando Rollason/ Sarah Lawrence

According to a submitted entry for the same marriage both were widowed.

Free Reg has Sarah a spinster

Church name St Thomas
Register type
Register entry number 246
Marriage date 10 Oct 1819
Groom forename Ferdinado
Groom surname ROLLASON
Groom condition widower
Groom parish Dudley
Bride forename Sarah
Bride surname LAURENCE
Bride condition spinster
Bride parish Dudley
Witness1 forename John
Witness1 surname ROLLASON
Witness2 forename John
Witness2 surname ALLEN
Notes By Banns-Bride Groom & witnesses signed

I'm confused now, where does this fit in? - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=352192

Some of this is repeating but OK as a check list, from FreeReg

Nanday ROLESON Baptism 01 Feb 1776 Worcestershire Oldbury (Christ Church) Father Ferdinando, mother Mary


John ROLLASON Baptism 07 Aug 1803 Worcestershire Oldbury (Christ Church) Father Ferdinando Mother Mary

Thomas ROLLASON Baptism 12 Feb 1804 Worcestershire Oldbury (Christ Church) Father Fernando Mother Sarah

Sarah ROLLASON Baptism 12 May 1805 Worcestershire Oldbury (Christ Church) Father Farden Mother Mary

John ROLLASON Baptism 03 May 1806 Worcestershire Oldbury (Christ Church) Father Ferdinando Mother Sarah

Ferdinando ROLLASON Baptism 25 Dec 1812 Worcestershire Oldbury (Christ Church) Father Ferdinando Mother Mary Born 25.12.1812



Sarah LAURENCE
Ferdinado ROLLASON Marriage 10 Oct 1819 Worcestershire Dudley (St Thomas) Widower/Spinster
Witnesses John Rollason/John Allen

Ferdinando ROLLASON Burial 16 Nov 1823 Staffordshire Rowley Regis (St Giles) Aged 78, Oldbury, natural decay

Eliza CLARK
Ferdinand ROLLASON Marriage 15 Dec 1836 Worcestershire Dudley (St Thomas) Bachelor/Spinster
Witnesses Thomas Allen/Joseph Shaw


Phebe TONKS
Nando ROLLASON Marriage 31 Dec 1849 Worcestershire Dudley (St Thomas) Bachelor (20)/spinster (20)
Father Ferdinando Rollason, miner/Joseph Tonks, caster, deceased
Witnesses Ferdinando Rollason, Benjamin Haden

Sarah HOWLETT
Ferdinando ROLLASON Marriage 15 Dec 1851 Worcestershire Dudley (St Thomas) Widower/spinster
Father Nando Rollason/William Howlett (both nailers)
Witnesses Aaron price/Silena Price

Ferdinando ROLLASON Burial 17 Jan 1855 Worcestershire Oldbury (Christ Church) Aged 80, Dudley Road

Nando ROLLASON Burial 04 Feb 1855 Worcestershire Oldbury (Christ Church) Aged 79, Popes Lane

Ferdinando ROLLASON Burial 21 May 1863 Staffordshire Amblecote (Holy Trinity) Aged 50, Harts Hill

Ferdinand ROLLASON Burial 22 Jan 1866 Worcestershire Langley (Holy Trinity) Aged 67,
Whiley St

Andrew Ferdinando Clark ROLLASON Burial 05 Jan 1873 Staffordshire Amblecote (Holy Trinity) 4y5m, Harts Hill

Sarah ROLLASON Baptism 01 Apr 1897 Worcestershire Oldbury (Oldbury Methodist Chapel) Father Fernando rollason, bricklayer, mother Jannet, living 1 Back of 32 Birmingham Road, Oldbury Born 17.11.1888

(submitted):
Bapt 23 Feb 1745, St Thomas, Dudley, Nando s of Philip Rolinson/ Ann
(This one fits with that Rowley Regis burial).

17 Oct 1762, StThomas, Dudley, Nando s of Benjamin Rolinson/ Ann

There is a death reg 1886 Q1 West Bromwich (did this cover Oldbury?) for Ferdinando Rollason aged 67 (fits the 1798 birth).

Just to throw a spanner in the works, there were two Ferdinando Rolinsons of similar age in Halesowen (which presumably included Oldbury?) in 1841:

1841, Halesowen
Ferdinando Rollason, 65 bic
Sarah Rollason, 60
Mary Rollason, 7 bic


1841, Canal Side, Halesowen
Ferdinando Rollason, 67
Wm Cocker, 28
Sarah Cocker, 35
All bic


Wonder if he was at home when the enumerator called, then popped up the road to visit someone and was counted again?

I'm confused now, where does this fit in?

Sorry

I think it is just a bit more complicated than it first looks.


There is this one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=352192


Rollason, Ferdinando (BCC)
b. ABT 1813
Oldbury
m. Clarke, Eliza
15 Dec 1836
St Thomas, Dudley

and he could be
Ferdinando ROLLASON Baptism 25 Dec 1812 Worcestershire Oldbury (Christ Church) Father Ferdinando Mother Mary Born 25.12.1812


but Ferdinando + Mary seem to overlap with Ferdinando and Sarah

(yes, I agree sp1)

mallosa wrote:

gardener wrote:

sp1 wrote:There is a marriage on the IGI (ODM):

10 Oct 1819, St Thomas, Dudley
Ferdinando Rollason/ Sarah Lawrence

According to a submitted entry for the same marriage both were widowed.

Free Reg has Sarah a spinster

Church name St Thomas
Register type
Register entry number 246
Marriage date 10 Oct 1819
Groom forename Ferdinado
Groom surname ROLLASON
Groom condition widower
Groom parish Dudley
Bride forename Sarah
Bride surname LAURENCE
Bride condition spinster
Bride parish Dudley
Witness1 forename John
Witness1 surname ROLLASON
Witness2 forename John
Witness2 surname ALLEN
Notes By Banns-Bride Groom & witnesses signed

I'm confused now, where does this fit in? - http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=352192

Thought it might be a possible second marriage for Ferdinando b1745 (his wife Mary possibly died and buried Rowley Regis) , or one of the others......

Edit: you beat me to it Jo!

gardener wrote:
I think it is just a bit more complicated than it first looks.

Only a bit! I've lost it

sp1 wrote:Just to throw a spanner in the works, there were two Ferdinando Rolinsons of similar age in Halesowen (which presumably included Oldbury?) in 1841:

1841, Halesowen
Ferdinando Rollason, 65 bic
Sarah Rollason, 60
Mary Rollason, 7 bic


1841, Canal Side, Halesowen
Ferdinando Rollason, 67
Wm Cocker, 28
Sarah Cocker, 35
All bic


Wonder if he was at home when the enumerator called, then popped up the road to visit someone and was counted again?

this one is with his daughter I think

Marriages Dec 1839
ASHMORE John Kidderminster 18 485
BAYES Diana Kidderminster 18 485
CORKER William Kidderminster 18 485
DENT Ann Clifford Kidderminster 18 485
Malpas William Kidderminster 18 485
MOORE William Kidderminster 18 485
REA Jane Kidderminster 18 485
ROLLASON Sarah Kidderminster 18 485


1851
Dudley Road Oldbury
William Corker 26
Sarah Corker 46
John Corker 9
Joseph Corker 7
William Corker 6
Ferdinand Rolin 76
Sarah Biviton 19

1861
William Corker 47
Sarah Corker 45
John Corker 19
Joseph Corker 17
William T Corker 16

Can someone jot down what we need to add where pls and we can do so cos I have lost this too

so from ferdinando b 1776 and bapt Oldbury
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =225533008

we have his parents as a Ferdinando and Mary
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =618961898

could we take it slowly from there pls

so

Ferdinando and Mary marry ???

and have Ferdinando 1776
he marries Sarah ??????????????

and they have
Ferdinando b 1798 / Maria 1800 and Maybe John 1812

right what needs amending above pls and then slowly what needs adding where

anyone????

will look at this at weekend

if anyone can just put down what we add to whom where

Jo if you could have a look see what you think ?

Argh!

As far as I can see, there are two Ferdinandos around at the same time, similar age. Perhaps matching like this.

1841, Halesowen
Ferdinando Rollason, 65 labourer bic
Sarah Rollason, 60
Mary Rollason, 7 bic

1851: Popes Lane, Oldbury
John Rollason 39 Head Coal Miner
Maria Rollason 36 Wife
Turner?? Rollason 18 Son Coal Miner
Hannah Rollason 11 Dau
Amphles Rollason 9 Dau
Thirza Rollason 4 Dau
Mabele Rollason 6 dau
Sarah Rollason 1 Dau
Thomas Jones 18 Lodger Coal Miner born Hill, Worc
Nandor Rotturon 75 Father in Law?? Wid Colliery Lab


1841, Canal Side, Halesowen
Ferdinando Rollason, 67 warehouse man
Wm Cocker, 28 boat builder
Sarah Cocker, 35
All bic

1851
Dudley Road Oldbury
William Corker 36 warehouse man
Sarah Corker 46 warehouse woman
John Corker 9
Joseph Corker 7
William Corker 6
Ferdinand Rolin 76 orign packer dependent on family
Sarah Biviton 19 serv
all born Oldbury

Possible bapts for Ferdinando Rollason as father:

Ferdinand Rolinson bpt 25 February 1798 ROWLEY REGIS, STAFFORD, ENGLAND father:Ferdinand Rolinson mother:Sarah (IGI indexed)
Maria Rolinson bpt 13 Apr 1800 Rowley Regis Father Nando Mother Sarah (RR parish records)
Thomas ROLLASON Baptism 12 Feb 1804 Worcestershire Oldbury (Christ Church) Father Fernando Mother Sarah (FreeReg)
John ROLLASON Baptism 03 May 1806 Worcestershire Oldbury (Christ Church) Father Ferdinando Mother Sarah (FreeReg)
Maryann Rollason bpt 17 April 1814 Oldbury, Worcester, England father:Ferdinando Rollason mother: Sarah Rollason (IGI indexed)
James Rollason bpt 26 July 1818 Oldbury, Worcester, England father: Ferdinando Rollason mother: Sarah (IGI sub)


Possible bapts for Ferdinando Rollason as father:

John ROLLASON Baptism 07 Aug 1803 Worcestershire Oldbury (Christ Church) Father Ferdinando Mother Mary (FreeReg)
Sarah ROLLASON Baptism 12 May 1805 Worcestershire Oldbury (Christ Church) Father Farden Mother Mary (FreeReg)
Ferdinando ROLLASON Baptism 25 Dec 1812 Worcestershire Oldbury (Christ Church) Father Ferdinando Mother Mary Born 25.12.1812 (FreeReg)


One of the two is presumeably this one:


Baptism date 01 Feb 1776 Christ Church, Oldbury
Person forename Nanday
Person sex M
Father forename Ferdinando ROLESON
Mother forename Mary
Notes Fathers name spelt Fardnanday in register.

and since Ferdinando Rollason seems to use Nando as a name I think BCC is correct.


Don't know if we can get this looked up to see if there is a father and occupation?

Marriages Dec 1839
ASHMORE John Kidderminster 18 485
BAYES Diana Kidderminster 18 485
CORKER William Kidderminster 18 485
DENT Ann Clifford Kidderminster 18 485
Malpas William Kidderminster 18 485
MOORE William Kidderminster 18 485
REA Jane Kidderminster 18 485
ROLLASON Sarah Kidderminster 18 485

William Corker (IGI submitted)

marriage:
20 October 1839 Kidderminster, Worcester, England

spouse:
Sarah Rollason

Wonder if any of the other kids for Ferdinando and Sarah can be found in the census/marrying?

Any good?

gardener wrote:
1841, Halesowen
Ferdinando Rollason, 65 labourer bic
Sarah Rollason, 60
Mary Rollason, 7 bic

Gonna make a start....

1841: Flash?, Oldbury (at top of Cencus page)
Forhandi Rollason 65 bic - says Shropshire
Sarah Rollason 60 not born in county
Mary Rollason 7 bic - says Shropshire,

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=352341

Mally have you got a handle on this


cos I aint!!............not time to go thru....

Gardener have we got it correct on Bcc at mo?

If not what is wrong so we can amend

Been busy Jan but will try to add more asap