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Jimmy
No I don't have a clue where she was born in England. I know she was the oldest...positive Henry and Eliza her parents.. she was born around 1871 or 73....Eliza and Henry didn't marry till August of of 1875 in St. James Gateshead Durham so possibly around there.
Interestingly just found out that Henry murdered Eliza in 1905 in a drunken rage with a poker iron....gets more interesting as I go along...thanks to you.

It get interesting some times.
You never know what you will find.

Cathy lee wrote:Jimmy
No I don't have a clue where she was born in England. I know she was the oldest...positive Henry and Eliza her parents.. she was born around 1871 or 73....Eliza and Henry didn't marry till August of of 1875 in St. James Gateshead Durham so possibly around there.
Interestingly just found out that Henry murdered Eliza in 1905 in a drunken rage with a poker iron....gets more interesting as I go along...thanks to you.

Cathy lee do you want me to add your username to Black Country Connections notes that you connect
to Henry Bills then if anyone sees it they can contact you via this forum.

I can't see an Emma Bills but there is this,
Births Jun 1871.
WITHINGTON Emma. Chorlton. 8c. 630.

Name: Emma Withington.
Registration Year: 1871.
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun.
Registration district: Chorlton.
Inferred County: Lancashire.
Volume: 8c.
Page: 630.


Ancestry,

in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975.

Name: Emma Withington.
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 19 Jul 1871.
Baptism Place: St. Peters, West Bromwich, Stafford, England.
Mother: Eliza Withington.
FHL Film Number: 1526218.
Reference ID: item 8 p 134.

As any one got the West Brom baptisms to see if there is any more details on it.

Jimmy
That must be her...as they were not married in til 1875...wonder if she was even Henry Bills child as she wasn't baptized with Hannah,thomas and Henry at st. Peters in Monk Wearmouth Durham. They married after the birth of Tamar who was born in 2874. Any way to find out the father of Emma?????

Jimmy Add my name to anything you might think would help...but you have been a genius in all this and I can't thank you enough.

Jimmy wrote:I can't see an Emma Bills but there is this,


Name: Emma Withington.
Registration Year: 1871.
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun.
Registration district: Chorlton.
Inferred County: Lancashire.
Volume: 8c.
Page: 630.


Ancestry,

in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975.

Name: Emma Withington.
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 19 Jul 1871.
Baptism Place: St. Peters, West Bromwich, Stafford, England.
Mother: Eliza Withington.
FHL Film Number: 1526218.
Reference ID: item 8 p 134.

As any one got the West Brom baptisms to see if there is any more details on it.

The only way would be a birth certificate but are these for the same Emma.

Jimmy wrote:I can't see an Emma Bills but there is this,


Name: Emma Withington.
Registration Year: 1871.
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun.
Registration district: Chorlton.
Inferred County: Lancashire.
Volume: 8c.
Page: 630.

Looks like this one,

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1871.
Surname Forename. Sub-District. Registers At. Mother's Maiden Name. Reference.
WITHINGTON Emma. Ardwick. Archives+, Manchester Central Library. ARD/100/78.

Jimmy wrote:Ancestry,

in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975.

Name: Emma Withington.
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 19 Jul 1871.
Baptism Place: St. Peters, West Bromwich, Stafford, England.
Mother: Eliza Withington.
FHL Film Number: 1526218.
Reference ID: item 8 p 134.

There is also on the same day,

Benjamin John Joseph Withington.
Gender: Male.
Baptism Date: 19 Jul 1871.
Baptism Place: Saint Peter, West Bromwich, Stafford, England.
Mother: Eliza Withington.
FHL Film Number: 1526218.


????

Births Jun 1871.
WITHINGTON Benjamin Joseph H. Dudley. 6c. 42.

This is a coincidence, Tamer Bills married an Artemus Welsh.


West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1863.
BILLS John. WELSH Priscilla. Dudley, St Thomas. Dudley Register Office. 204/022/90.

1871. Wolloscote.
John Welch 70. Retired nailer. Staffordshire.
Harriett Welch 67.
Mira Welch 24. Dau.
John Bills 29. Son-in-law. Anvil maker.
Priscilla Bills 28.
Albert Bills 1. Grandson.

Others born Lye, Worcs.

Hi
That has to be her with the christening of Emma and Benjamin in 1871. Benjamin was born in April 1871...her father's first name was John...and that appears to be Benjamins middle name. I think I found Henry in 1871 census as a boarder in Sunderland in the home of Dorothy Crawford. ..he says he is married but no sign of Eliza in that house.

Could Henry have been married before he married Eliza.

Were Benjamin and Emma twins, I can't see anything that match's.

No I doubt that they were twins...dates for emma run anywhere from 1869 to 1871...I think they just went with whatever age they wanted to be that day. And on yhe ship manifest they are 2 years apart.
The ages just keep changing...in US census Henry's date of birth is 1849..and thats wrong.
If that is Eliza in that census as a niece/domestic advantage maybe she made herself younger, because in that census she would have been born in 1845...or maybe the person who gave her age just guessed.
I don't think Henry was ever married before but then I would have never guessed he married his wife.
In order to find out the father of Emma and Tamar I would have to order a birth certificate is that right? And do you know to where I could do that?
You are marvelous in finding out all these leads and I greatly appreciate it...I look forward every day to see what else you have been able to turn up...it's amazing!!! I thank you so much.

I shall be of the Internet for a few days, problems with my pc, using my smartphone phone at the moment, when did Benjamin go to America, he wasn't on the ship list I found.