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County Staffordshire
Place Dudley Staffs
Church name St Thomas
Register type
Register entry number 234
Marriage date 11 Oct 1841
Groom forename Philip
Groom surname THURMAN
Groom age of full age
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode Bond Street,Dudley
Groom occupation Labourer
Bride forename Ann
Bride surname DARBY
Bride age minor
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Bond Street,Dudley
Groom father forename Joseph
Groom father surname THURMAN
Groom father occupation Publican
Bride father forename James
Bride father surname DARBY
Bride father occupation Miner
Witness1 forename Ann
Witness1 surname DARBY
Witness2 forename William
Witness2 surname ROBERTS
Notes By Banns-Groom signed. Bride & witnesses marked X

just skimmed this ...is it the John Wall and Hannah Smart marriage that needs adding to Bcc?

Here's what I think we have so far Jan
(I've done me best)

Hannah's husband Benjamin Thornton here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=339913

(To be added to BCC please)
1901. 7 Chaterers Passage, Tipton.
John Thomson 54. no occupation given. Feeble minded. Badley, Worcs.
Sarah J Thomson 48.
Benjamin Thomson 18. Labourer.
John Thomson 8.
Others born Tipton.

Then we have the following for Hannah Wall / Thornton ( all to be added to BCC please)

Baptism info
Name: Hannah Wall
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 13 Jan 1884
Baptism Date: 2 Mar 1884
Baptism Place: St. Paul's, Tipton, Stafford, England
Father: John Wall
Mother: Hannah
FHL Film Number: 1526191
Reference ID: item 6 p 14

Think this is 1891 census
Name: Hannah Wall
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Daughter (Child)
Parent's Name: Hannah Wall
Gender: Female
Where born: Tipton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Tipton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address

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Registration district: Dudley
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2284
Folio: 68
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Hannah Wall 52
Betsy Wall 19
John Philip Wall 17
William Wall 12
Hannah Wall. 7

1901. 1 Old Cross St, Tipton.
Hannah Wall 61. Widow.
(Hannah) Polly Wall 18. Dau. Char women.
Phillip Wall 27. Son. Labourer on ???? line.
Lizzie Wall 8/12. Grand Daughter
All born Tipton.



Deaths Jun 1901,
Wall Hannah, 62, Dudley, 6c, 26,( Hannahs mother)


Then Looks like it could be them in 1881.
1881. 19 Pike Helve, West Bromwich.
John Wall 50. Coal miner.
Hannah Wall 40.
Joseph Wall 10. Son.
Betsy Wall 9. Dau.
John Wall 7. Son.
Sarah Wall 5. Dau.
William Wall 3. Son.
All born West Bromwich

Marriage looked up for Hannah parents
We think this is Hannah Thorntons parents
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1865.
WALL John. SMART Hannah. Tipton, St Martin. (Pepper Box). Sandwell Register Office. 39/10/469.

23rd. July 1865. St.Martin, Tipton.
John WALL 26 bach: Miner, Tipton.
father: Edw. Wall(Stonecutter).
Hannah SMART(X) 22 Widow: Tipton.
father: Phil. Thurman(Boatman).
Witns:
Jas. Darby(X)/Mary Darby(X)

We can't see an earlier marriage for Hannahs mother to a Smart

Then thanks to Rocky we think this is Hannah Thorntons mother Hannah Thurman/ Smart/Halls parents
Field Value
County Staffordshire
Place Dudley Staffs
Church name St Thomas
Register type
Register entry number 234
Marriage date 11 Oct 1841
Groom forename Philip
Groom surname THURMAN
Groom age of full age
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode Bond Street,Dudley
Groom occupation Labourer
Bride forename Ann
Bride surname DARBY
Bride age minor
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Bond Street,Dudley
Groom father forename Joseph
Groom father surname THURMAN
Groom father occupation Publican
Bride father forename James
Bride father surname DARBY
Bride father occupation Miner
Witness1 forename Ann
Witness1 surname DARBY
Witness2 forename William
Witness2 surname ROBERTS
Notes By Banns-Groom signed. Bride & witnesses marked X

Then this looks like more info on Hannah's mothers family

Jimmy wrote:1851. Coppice St, Tipton.
Philip Thurman 30. Labourer.
Ann Thurman 26.
Hannah Thurman 8. Dau.
Joseph Thurman 4. Son.
Ann Thurman 1. Dau.

All born Tipton.

1861. 75 Coppice St, Tipton.
Phillip Hummer 40. Labourer.
Ann Hummer 36.
Ann Hummer 11. Dau.
Mary Ann Hummer 9. Dau.
Betsey Hummer 6. Dau.
Sarah Hummer 4. Dau.

All born Tipton.

1871. 61 Coppice St, Tipton.
Phillip Thurman 50. Colliery lab.
Ann Thurman 48.
Mary Thurman 19. Dau.
Betsy Thurman 18. Dau.

All born Tipton.

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1841.
THURMAN Philip. DARBY Ann. Dudley, St Thomas. Dudley Register Office. 204/004/234.

Jimmy helpppp
Have I missed anything ??

Don't think so.

Added most of that flagging to arc.


did we before I move this find Hannah Thurmans 1st marriage to Smart?

I couldn't see one.