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I'll add them.

Hi Rob
Who did Frank marry? Do you have the cert?

mallosa wrote:Is this her in 1881:?

1881: 64, Hackett St
John Hill 42 Widow Lab at Stone Quarry Redditch
Emma Westwood 52 Lodger Warley Wigorn
James Westwood 18 Son U Lab at Stone Quarry Halesowen
Mary Ann Westwood 22 Dau U Halesowen
Joseph Westwood 16 Son U Lab at Stone Quarry R/Regis
Elizabeth Westwood 12 Dau U R/Regis
Saml. Westwood 8 Son R/Regis
Alfred Westwood 4 mths Son R/Regis

1891: 100, Dudley Road, Rowley Regis
Thomas Tibbett 31 Head Horse Keeper (groom)
Annie Tibbett 20 Wife
John Tibbett 2 Son
Elizabeth Tibbett 1 Dau
Joseph Westwood 26 Single Boarder Coal Miner
James Westwood 29 Widower Boarder
all born R/Regis


1901: 9 Portway Road, Rowley Regis Living with the same Tibbetts family
Joseph Westwood 41 Single Boarder Stone Quarry Man (getter?)
Samuel Westwood 28 Single Boarder Stone Quarry Man (getter?)

This is all great stuff but still not found Emma Westwood on the 1841 or 1851 census.
Was her maiden name also Westwood?

On BCC
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =253265227

Hi Rob
This marriage may give you a lead on Emma's hubby, if she had one.
Marriages Mar 1884
Hall Joseph Stourbridge 6c 187
WESTWOOD Mary Ann Stourbridge 6c 187

I'm not sure whose son Alfred is, I suspect Mary Ann's illegitimate son, Alfred goes by Westwood on the 81 & 1901 and Hall on the 91.
Possible birth -
Births Sep 1881
Westwood Alfred Stourbridge 6c 208

Thanks FarSide !!
So what i want is a look-up for the marriage and see who the father and mother was of Mary Ann.
Alfred is Mary Ann's son.

FarSide wrote:Marriage
1884
HALL Joseph WESTWOOD Mary A Blackheath, St Paul Dudley Register Office 012/002/46

That seems like their wedding.Do i go to Dudley or Sandwell for a lookup?
Was the reason why Frank Williams my grandfather was adopted by Joseph and Mary (sic) that they were relatives of Edwin Lloyd Williams and Mercy Williams? Mercy died in childbirth of Frank 1897.The Halls and the Williams lived in the same street as well.Mott Street Blackheath.
I'm sure they were but i can't find the link as yet but Warley Wigorn Salop(or Worcestershire) seems to be cropping up a lot.
As does Hackett Street and the names Bateman and Mole.
I'll find out its just going to take a little time.

Sandwell archives rob
so see you there

thanks Fs for adding all that

Ok flagging this as believe a look up is on ( that will go to the bottom of the pile )

So going to archive this unless someone comes back on and whines about me doing it!
Oh wonder who that might be

So Unless otherwise advised by a senior member this will be moved to archived within 24 hrs

Searched high and lo for Emma, just don't see her, the lookup I hope will help

this is a rite bag of nails this one.....

Ok have done the marriage look up
for Joseph Hall and Mary Ann Westwood

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =527591329

now Robbie you need to post those census you have on this lot save us reinventing the wheel!!


The look up showed that John Hill the lodger with Emma Westwood is father to Mary Ann Westwood

and

Joseph Hall is a rite conundrum....(sp?)

his father ....and it certainly looked like it...was a Joseph Deason ....there was a Deakin on prev page and it wasnt that!

so who on earth is he?

how come Joseph is a Hall
who is his mother!!

over to you lot...and Rob post what you know...

Right thanks for all that.Great stuff.
I'll post what i know now.
Joseph Hall born(or thereabouts) 1863 Warley Wigorn Salop.
Now Warley Wigorn was in Shropshire and Worcestershire at various times and Salop Road Warley is there today!!
Sorry,i'm digressing!!

1871 Census
Blackheath- Mary Ann Hall 27
Joseph Hall 7
Alice Hall 3months

1881 56 Halesowen Street Blackheath
John Bateman 52
Elizabeth Bateman 54
Elizabeth Bateman 24 daughter
Eliza Bateman 24 daughter
Joseph Hall 17 grandson coal miner
James Hall 13 grandson
John Hall 8 grandson
Joseph Hall 4 grandson (see 1891 census) i think he's called John Bateman on there.
Hannah Bateman 2 granddaughter
Albert Bateman 2 grandson

marriage Joseph Hall to Mary Ann Westwood 1884 St Pauls Blackheath.

The rest has already been mentioned.

Mary Ann Hall born about 1844 ,Josephs mother,doesnt look as if she was married either.
1861 Census Perry Hill (which is near to Ridgacre and Warley Wigorn)
But i'm going to investigate that further before putting the info on here.

1881 56 Halesowen Street Blackheath
John Bateman 52
Elizabeth Bateman 54
Elizabeth Bateman 24 daughter
Eliza Bateman 24 daughter
Joseph Hall 17 grandson coal miner
James Hall 13 grandson
John Hall 8 grandson
Joseph Hall 4 grandson (see 1891 census) i think he's called John Bateman on there.
Hannah Bateman 2 granddaughter
Albert Bateman 2 grandson

Poss marriage, may already have this
1847
BATEMAN John HALL Elizabeth Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/008/128

So who is this?

Was Elizabeth married prev to a Hall
or is this her dau? and then our of wedlock!
Is that Joseph?

Rob always put where they are b as it says on census info and the relationship please!
Come on lad! if a job is worth doing it's worth doin properly
So please repost with info is Mary ann single on that census ie unmarried
is that her son?
is Alice dau?
where are they from

We will make a researcher of you yet!


1871 Census Blackheath
Mary Ann Hall 27
Joseph Hall 7
Alice Hall 3months

Was the reason why Frank Williams my grandfather was adopted by Joseph and Mary (sic) that they were relatives of Edwin Lloyd Williams and Mercy Williams? Mercy died in childbirth of Frank 1897.The Halls and the Williams lived in the same street as well.Mott Street Blackheath.

Hi Rob
Just trying to get my head around this lot, are the parents of Frank Williams def Edwin Lloyd Williams and Mercy Firken, is this from the birth cert?

I think that is a very very good point FS

I am not sure if Rob has actually bought the birth certif
think he looked up the marriage

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =312851200

but father is deceased by then and down as Edward
which is odd as father is deffo Edwin on census

ok it is mott st but so what!
could have been lots of Williams living there.

so good question FS ...hope you get an answer ....fog and plaiting spring to mind
ha ha ....love ya Rob!