ARC TBC - Richard YOUNG parents???

[gardener]

Is there any chance that Richard lived to a ripe old age?

Deaths Sep 1942
Young Richard 91 Birmingham 6d 481

[GreekEnglishGal]

Is there any chance that Richard lived to a ripe old age?

Deaths Sep 1942
Young Richard 91 Birmingham 6d 481

It's possible, but I honestly don't know for sure. The last picture I have of him is circa 1930. He is with his son Henry Archer Young, and two grandsons: Philip and John Richard Young (my Pop-Pop). I am presuming they are in W Bromwich at the time.

That ruled out everything I thought before...

[gardener]

If Richard Young was still alive in 1930ish then I think it is quite possible.

If the other thread is correct then this

Name: Mary Oakley
Estimated birth year: abt 1789
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1879
Age at Death: 90
Registration district: West Bromwich
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 486

is Richard's grandmother dying aged 90 so some good genes there!

[GreekEnglishGal]

Well I have a grand aunt who was born in 1921, John Richard Young's sis...she is still alive at 93. It wouldn't surprise me if Richard lived that long at all.

[GreekEnglishGal]

The other post was locked, fwiw just wanted to add some odd findings.

I found that both Samuel MANSELL b. 1828 (husband of Nancy RICHARDS) and Richard YOUNG b. About 1815 (the father of my great great grandfather this thread was about) both have possible criminal records for larceny. MANSELL was found not guilty in 1844; Richard Young however served time in 1842 for 3 months; then again in 1848 for 3 months; Both in Warwickshire. All found from England and Wales, Criminal Registers 1591-1892.

Also when I read Mary Ann Richard and Richard Young's certificate I didn't read "coach groom" but cordwainer identical to Mary Ann Richard's father also a cordwainer. I agree that Richard's father said innkeeper, that one wasn't blurry.

Found another criminal record in Cheshire 1852 for assault which could be a completely different Richard. (This borders Staffordshire and would explain why Mary Ann moved on to Stokes if I could find some other link!) another Richard Henry Young record from Freedom from the city London in 1883 (whatever that means) listing a father named Richard Young.

Make whatever of this but Richard Young is hard to track so a criminal record would make sense. Nancy Richards and Samuel Mansell were witnesses to the marriage of Richard and Mary Ann. Also, I am finding other familiar reoccurring non family related names in common in some of these reports.

I investigate this mysterious Richard Young everyday for about an hour (because it gets so frustrating I have to stop). I have looked at Australian convict transportation records and found a Richard Young in 1861-1862 (from Southhampton though).

His name is so damn common ARGH! If his father really was an innkeeper (which who knows if that's really true if that came from his son's mouth) maybe I could find this Inn, I would guess it would be in Birmingham which had hundreds of inns at that time.

Does anyone have an organized method to the madness of finding an elusive relative? Has anyone ever actually hired a geneologist? I'm scared if I did, they would find the same info as me with no definite conclusions.

Another idea, on ancestry, I think it is possible to find people by address, it seemed Mary Ann and Richard lived on Icknield Street in Birmingham at the time of their marriage. She later returns to her family pregnant in West Bromwich in 1851 without her husband then marries Richard Stokes in 1853. She marries Richard Stokes as a SPINSTER, not a widow, so I assume Richard Young is alive and they must have left things on a bad note. :p

[Northern Lass]

Right GEG just posted courtesy of RF look up
for Richard Stokes and Harriet Meacham....same guy as far as I am concerned
So he marries twice prob due to his real name being Richard Young...and he wanted to acknowledge that.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =770512036

Bmsgh
MEACHAM Harriet E STOKES Richard 1879 West Bromwich, Holy Trinity West Midlands Sandwell Register Office 25/4/293


Looked up by RF added by Jan 8-3-14
22nd January 1879 Holy Trinity West Bromwich
Richard Stokes 27 Bachelor Gas Hol?? Maker New Street William Stokes deceased Groom
Harriet Emma Meacham 22 spinster New Street William Meacham Coach Painter
banns
Both signed
wit Emmanuel Whitehouse
Annie ?? Jessop


bmsgh poss marriage
1880
YOUNG Richard MEACHAM Harriet E Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) Sandwell Register Office 39/14/2

Marriage info added by Jan 18-2-14 looked up by RF
11 Apr 1880 St Martin Tipton
Richard YOUNG 28 B Gas Erector Tipton Father Richard Young Groom
Harriet Emma MEACHAM 24 S Tipton Father William Meacham Coach Painter
After Banns Both Signed
Wit; Daniel Bennett / Ann Bennett X

[gardener]

Oh good, that seems conclusive enough.

As for the occupations in Mary Ann Richard's marriage certificate, I think Richard (the one getting married) has coachman as occupation, his father is down as innkeeper, and Mary Ann's father as cordwainer.

[GreekEnglishGal]

Thank you both. Those records are very hard to read!

[BC Wench]

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