"Complete"Susan Hall or Susan Woodall

[mumbles]

I think The Ralph Family from William Ralph born 1801 is correct one for Henry Ralph who married Susan Woodall
because a) Sister Caroline was witness at wedding of Henry Ralph
b) Caroline married a William Gilbanks and ended up in Barrow. in Furness
c) sister Hannah Ralph married a John Henry Didlock and ended up in Barrow in Furness
d) Brother Samuel married a Sarah Unknown and ended up in Barrow in Furness

[Northern Lass]

I think The Ralph Family from William Ralph born 1801 is correct one for Henry Ralph who married Susan Woodall
because a) Sister Caroline was witness at wedding of Henry Ralph
b) Caroline married a William Gilbanks and ended up in Barrow. in Furness
c) sister Hannah Ralph married a John Henry Didlock and ended up in Barrow in Furness
d) Brother Samuel married a Sarah Unknown and ended up in Barrow in Furness

That all looks good Mumbles

but that John WH Ralph must be Henry dont you think before Susan and he get married in 1861.

so where is his death?

can you post the 1871 for Henry...do you have it?...with this emma?

[rockyfowler]

1871
RALPH, Susan Head Married F 41 1830 Worcestershire

Cawney Hill, Dudley
Staffordshire

[rockyfowler]

3 Jul 1836 St Martin Tipton
Henry son of William & Ann RALPH ,Puppy Green ,Labourer

1871
Henry Ralph Head Married 35 Labourer at Iron Works Tipton Staffordshire
Emma Ralph Wife Married 36 Swinford Worcestershire
1 Jones Building
Norton Staffordshire

1881
RALPHS, Henry Head Married M 44 1837 Labourer
Puppy Green, Staffordshire (Tipton)
RALPHS, Emma Wife Married F 44 1837
Brittle Lane, Staffordshire
WILLETS, Eliza Visitor Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Netherton, Warwickshire
11, Chapel Grove, Openshaw
Lancashire

[mumbles]

Thanks RF
So we have Susan Ralph on 1871 Census as Married
and an Henry Ralph married to an Emma in 1871 Census
Need that marriage to find father of Henry Ralph who married Emma ?
and if another Henry Ralph need to find before marriage and if connection to Caroline

[mumbles]

RF has posted :-
1881 Census 11, Chapel Grove, Openshaw
Lancashire
RALPHS, Henry Head Married M 44 1837 Labourer
Puppy Green, Staffordshire (Tipton)
RALPHS, Emma Wife Married F 44 1837
Brittle Lane, Staffordshire
WILLETS, Eliza Visitor Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Netherton, Warwickshire

Puppy Green Tipton is next to Park Lane Tipton where William Ralph and family live

[Northern Lass]

its him isnt it

I would add that in Mumbles the census and that emma

he is born there on bapt

3 Jul 1836 St Martin Tipton
Henry son of William & Ann RALPH ,Puppy Green ,Labourer

I will add in bapt thanks RF

[mumbles]

1891 Census 44 Kendal Street Bradford Cum Beswick Bradford Manchester Lancs.
Henry Ralph Head 55 General Labourer born Tipton Staffs.
Emma Ralph wife 54 born Stonebridge ( Stourbridge ? ) Worcs.
Eliza Willets niece 17 Cotton Spinner born Dudley Worcs.

So Eliza Willets is niece of either Henry or Emma

[mumbles]

Nl are you saying Henry married Emma bigamously as still married to Susan Hall ( nee Woodall) and that is why no marriage to Emma to be found ?

[Jimmy]

Poss later marriage, right area, ???

Marriages Mar 1876.
Griffiths Emma. Chorlton. 8c. 978.
MILLWARD Robert. Chorlton. 8c. 978.
RALPH Henry. Chorlton. 8c. 978.
Townsend Elizabeth. Chorlton. 8c. 978.

[Jimmy]

Thomas Arnold.
Birth Date: 184
Age: 32.
Spouse's Name: Susan Ralph.
Spouse's Birth Date: 1832.
Spouse's Age: 44.
Event Date: 26 Dec 1876.
Event Place: Brierley Hill, Brierley Hill, Stafford.
Father's Name: John Arnold.
Spouse's Father's Name: Samuel Woodhall.
Marital Status: Single.
Spouse's Marital Status: Widowed.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01217-3.
System Origin: England-EASy.
GS Film number: 1470584.
Reference ID: it 4 P 86.

or,
Name: Thomas Arnold.
Spouse's Name: Susan Ralph.
Event Date: 26 Dec 1876.
Event Place: Brierley Hill, Brierley Hill, Stafford.
Father's Name: John Arnold.
Spouse's Father's Name: Samuel Woodhall.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01217-3.
System Origin: England-ODM.
GS Film number: 1470584.

[Jimmy]

1881. 77 chawney Hill,
Thomas Arnold 36. Iron puddler.
Susan Arnold 51. Charwoman.
Joseph Woodall 24. Nephew.
William Bradley 19. Nephew.

All born Dudley.

[mumbles]

mumbles wrote: I think The Ralph Family from William Ralph born 1801 is correct one for Henry Ralph who married Susan Woodall
because a) Sister Caroline was witness at wedding of Henry Ralph
b) Caroline married a William Gilbanks and ended up in Barrow. in Furness
c) sister Hannah Ralph married a John Henry Didlock and ended up in Barrow in Furness
d) Brother Samuel married a Sarah Unknown and ended up in Barrow in Furness

and Annie Elizabeth Didlock dau of Hannah Ralph and John Henry Didlock married an Alfred J. Baker and her Uncle Henry Ralph
lived with them in Barrow in Furness in 1911
58 Blake Street Barrow in Furness Lancs.
Alfred John Baker Head 51 Railway Signalman born Mollington Oxon.
Annie Elizabeth Baker wife 51 born Tipton Staffs.
George William Baker son 26 Bricklayer- Builders born Hindpool Lancs.
Henry Ralph Uncle (wid) 74 No Occupation born Tipton South Staffs.

1901 Census 1 Thomas Street Ardwick Chorlton Manchester
Henry Ralph Head 66 Labourer born Tipton Staffs.
Emma Ralph wife 66 born Oldswinford Staffs.

[Jimmy]

From freereg,
County Staffordshire.
Place Dudley Staffs.
Church St John (Kates Hill).
MarriageDate 29 May 1859.
GroomForename Thomas.
GroomSurname WOODALL.
GroomAge 20.
GroomCondition Bachelor.
GroomOccupation Puddler.
GroomAbode Dudley.
BrideForename Sarah Ann.
BrideSurname SMITH.
BrideAge 26.
BrideCondition Spinster.
BrideAbode Dudley.
GroomFatherForename Samuel.
GroomFatherSurname WOODALL.
GroomFatherOccupation Puddler.
BrideFatherForename Edward.
BrideFatherSurname SMITH.
BrideFatherOccupation Collier.
WitnessOneForename Henry.
WitnessOneSurname RALPH.
WitnessTwoForename Susan.
WitnessTwoSurname HALL.
Notes.
FileNumber 32072.

[rockyfowler]

Already got that Jimmy
Marriages looked up by BcWench

29 May 1859 at St John, Kates Hill
Tho’s Woodall, 20, B, Puddler, Dudley, Samuel Woodall, Puddler
Sarah Ann Smith, 26, S, Dudley, Edward Smith, Collier
Wit: Henry Ralph, Susan Hall

Is this Thomas's sister Mary??

10 Aug 1857 at St John, Kates Hill
Isaiah Bradley, 23, B, Puddler, Dudley, Deceased
Mary Woodall, 20, S, Dudley, Samuel Woodall, Puddler
Wit: Joseph Shaw, Susan Hall

I believe Susan Hall is Susan Woodall

mumbles

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