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So, this looks all OK to me (in date order)

1911. 1 Leamington Villas, Acton
George Soleman Cooper 48. Widower. Milk Carrier. Sunbury, Middlesex.
Charles Cooper 13. Son. Acton, Middlesex.
George Cooper 3. Son. Acton, Middlesex.
Ethel Martin 10. Adopted Daughter. Acton, Middlesex.
Hilda Peach 6. Adopted Daughter. Acton, Middlesex.

Deaths Dec 1908.
COOPER Hilda Annie. 34. Brentford. 3a. 102.
Marriage: 4th June 1906. Emmanuel, Paddington
George Soloman Cooper, 42, W, Milk carrier, 50, Fernhead Road, George Cooper, (deceased) Watchman
Hilda Annie Peach, 32, S, 50 Fernhead Road, William Valentine Peach (deceased) Baker
Banns
Both signed
Witness, Arthur William Fry. Gertrude Fry

Baptism: St Saviour Islington
1905 April 11th, Hilda Edith, William and Hilda Annie Peach, 11 Leamington Villas, Milk Carrier, born March 5th 1905
Baptism: 1902 September 4th, Ethel Dorothy, William Valentine Hilda Annie Rosetta Peach, Traveller 37, Basham? Street

1901 11 Leamington Villas, Acton,
George Cooper, head, M, 36, Dairy Foreman, Sunbury
Edith, daur, 13, Sunbury
Elsie, daur, 12, Sunbury
Charles, son, 3,Acton
Naomi Bateman, visitor, 34, nurse mother, Eltham
Winifred Fagan, visitor, 7 months, nurse child, Hackney

1901. 131, Mariot? Road, Paddington
George Smith, head, 43, Pawn Broker and Jeweller, Islington
Ann Maria, wife, 41, Stoke
Fred ? serv, 19, Pawn brokers assistant, Marylebone
Hilda Annie Rosetta Peach, serv, S, 28, Cook, Tunbridge Wells

1891. 113 Miles Buildings? Christchurch, St Marylebone,
George S Cooper, head, 27, Milk Carrier,
Hannah, wife, 28,
Edith A, daur, 3,
Elsie E, daur, 2
All born Sunbury

If Hilda Annie (Rosetta) Peach was single when married, and also in 1901 census then it seems that she made up the father for the baptisms of Hilda Edith and Ethel Dorothy. If that is the same Ethel in 1911 census then she is given a different surname there so perhaps her father was ? Martin.

As yet we don't have Hilda Annie Rosetta Peach before 1901.
I wonder about the surname Peach. I don't see any William Valentine Peach on FreeBMD for 1840-1920 but there are plenty of William Valentine Pearch. Some in Tonbridge.

1881 has this lot
William Pearch 38
Mary Pearch 38
William Pearch 13
Annie Pearch 11
Minnie Pearch 9
Robert Pearch 3

there is an 1878 birth for Robert Valentine Perch which might fit the youngest kid. And it could be this marriage for the parents
Marriages Jun 1864
Featherstone Mary Ann Sophia Tunbridge 2a 724
Gladwell Joseph Tunbridge 2a 724
Lavar Ann Tunbridge 2a 724
Pearch William Valentine Tunbridge 2a 724

and death?
Deaths Sep 1882
Pearch William Valentine 40 Tunbridge 2a 323

Can anyone demolish that idea? I can't find Hilda Annie's birth though, not even with variations of spelling and birth year so it is probably not the right family.

1871: 8 Camden Road, Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Ann E Fetherstone 52 Head Wid Tun Wells
William V Perch 28 Son in Law Marr Carpenter Peckham, Surrey
Mary A S Perch 30 Dau Marr Dressmaker Southwalk, Surrey
Emily A Perch 5 Grd Dau Tun Wells
William Perch 2 Grd Son Tun Wells
Annie Perch 8 Months Grd Dau Tun Wells
Isabella Evans 8 Grd Dau Brighton, Sussex
Alfred Evans 5 Grd Son Brighton, Sussex

Good job!

Mmm, still can´t find that Annie on BMD, never mind convince myself it is the right lot

Can you see them in 1891? William Valentine (if it is him) should be dead, what about the rest?

mallosa wrote:1871: 8 Camden Road, Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Ann E Fetherstone 52 Head Wid Tun Wells
William V Perch 28 Son in Law Marr Carpenter Peckham, Surrey
Mary A S Perch 30 Dau Marr Dressmaker Southwalk, Surrey
Emily A Perch 5 Grd Dau Tun Wells
William Perch 2 Grd Son Tun Wells
Annie Perch 8 Months Grd Dau Tun Wells
Isabella Evans 8 Grd Dau Brighton, Sussex
Alfred Evans 5 Grd Son Brighton, Sussex

1881: St Stephens Cottages 5, Tunbridge Wells
William Pearch 38 Head Carpenter East Peckham
Mary Pearch 38 Wife Mayfield, Sussex
William Pearch 13 Son
Annie Pearch 11 Dau
Minnie Pearch 9 Dau
Robert Pearch 3 Son
(others born Tun Wells)

1891: 20 Albert Street, Tunbridge Wells
Mary Pearch 50 Head Wid Wash Ironer Mayfield, Sussex
Robert Pearch 12 Son Tunbridge Wells

Name: Minnie Pearch
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Age: 18
Relationship to Head of Household: Servant
Birthplace: Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Registration District: Tunbridge
Sub-District: Tunbridge Wells
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Peter
Parish: Tunbridge
County: Kent


Name: Annie Pearch
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Gender: Female
Age: 20
Relationship to Head of Household: Inmate
Birthplace: Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Eastbourne
Sub-District: Eastbourne
Ecclesiastical Parish: Christ Church
Parish: Eastbourne
County: Sussex



Those Evans kids were born Brighton, not so far... (straw clutching)

gardener wrote:
Name: Annie Pearch
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Gender: Female
Age: 20
Relationship to Head of Household: Inmate
Birthplace: Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Eastbourne
Sub-District: Eastbourne
Ecclesiastical Parish: Christ Church
Parish: Eastbourne
County: Sussex

1891: No's 10,12,14 and 16 Carleton? Road, Mission Home, Eastbourne, Sussex
Name: Annie Pearch
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female (single)
Where born: Tunbridge Wells, Kent,
Civil Parish: Eastbourne
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Eastbourne
County/Island: Sussex

further down the list is a Willie Pearch age 8 months born Tunbridge Wells - Annie's baby?

somebody's baby

Births Dec 1890
Pearch William Valentine Tunbridge 2a 630

Marriages Sep 1907
DEWEY Lizzie Edmonton 3a 1077
GILBERT Norah Goodwin Edmonton 3a 1077
HYATT William Ernest Edmonton 3a 1077
PEARCH William Valentine Edmonton 3a 1077

1911 West Ham

William Pearch 27 Mathematical Instrument Maker
Norah Pearch 25
William Pearch 2
Kenneth Pearch 1

Looks like he left a will which I can't see - bet he didn't say "my dear mother"!

William Valentine Pearch.
Gender: Male.
Christening Date: 17 Apr 1836.
Christening Place: AYLESFORD, KENT, ENGLAND.
Father's Name: Thomas Pearch.
Mother's Name: Mary.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03651-3.
System Origin: England-ODM.
GS Film number: 1469269 IT 8-9.

Marriages Jun 1864.
Featherstone Mary Ann Sophia. Tunbridge. 2a. 724.
Gladwell Joseph. Tunbridge. 2a. 724.
Lavar Ann. Tunbridge. 2a. 724.
Pearch William Valentine. Tunbridge. 2a. 724.

Annie Pearch.
Gender: Female.
Christening Date: 27 Feb 1876.
Christening Place: Tunbridge-Wells, Kent, England.
Father's Name: William Pearch.
Mother's Name: Mary Ann.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02504-4.
System Origin: England-ODM.
GS Film number: 1866585.

gardener wrote:Marriages Sep 1907
DEWEY Lizzie Edmonton 3a 1077
GILBERT Norah Goodwin Edmonton 3a 1077
HYATT William Ernest Edmonton 3a 1077
PEARCH William Valentine Edmonton 3a 1077

I think I am leading you all up the wrong garden path. This one seems to have a father called Robert judging by the marriage entry on Ancestry.

Any one got a better approach?

I followed that one with him being named Robert and that William Pearch in 1881 had a son Robert...

I do think theres some muddle with marriage and them baptisms though...
Jo

grangers14 wrote:I do think theres some muddle with marriage and them baptisms though...
Jo

Marriage: 4th June 1906. Emmanuel, Paddington
George Soloman Cooper, 42, W, Milk carrier, 50, Fernhead Road, George Cooper, (deceased) Watchman
Hilda Annie Peach, 32, S, 50 Fernhead Road, William Valentine Peach (deceased) Baker
Banns
Both signed
Witness, Arthur William Fry. Gertrude Fry

Baptism: St Saviour Islington
1905 April 11th, Hilda Edith, William and Hilda Annie Peach, 11 Leamington Villas, Milk Carrier, born March 5th 1905
Baptism: 1902 September 4th, Ethel Dorothy, William Valentine Hilda Annie Rosetta Peach, Traveller 37, Basham? Street

I can't see any point her claiming to be single when she married, not if she had one or two kids to introduce to her husband! So I am inclined to think that she was indeed single. She could have used her father's name for the baptism records of the kids, that happened a bit.
George Solomon Cooper is at 11 Leamington Villas in 1901 and 1911, and Hilda gives that address for the baptism in 1905 so perhaps she was lodging there? His son Charles was still quite young so perhaps she went in as cook/helper?
The only odd thing is that they married in Paddington which is where Hilda was working in 1901. Did she go back there to work? Or were there friends/family there? Or was it to avoid gossip in Acton? Who knows.

Oh my god...nw im confused i think i need to get back to the mother in law and acertain a few facts...back soon thank you to everyone whos helped..even tho' im even more confused!!