*Arch * -Elizabeth Stringer/Thomas Hipkiss

[linell]

poss elizabeth ?


ELIZTH. STRINGER
Christening: 23 MAR 1800 Rowley Regis, Stafford,

Father: JOHN STRINGER
Mother: MARY




siblings

MARY STRINGER
Christening: 24 JUN 1792 Rowley Regis, Stafford,

JOHN STRINGER
Christening: 22 FEB 1795 Rowley Regis, Stafford,


PHEBE STRINGER
Christening: 13 AUG 1797 Rowley Regis, Stafford,

so are all these yours linell some not on ? as parents john and mary ?

if this is john and mary stringer marriage this is extracted two biths above underlined before this marriage so was mary a widower and hers from a previous or are they john or niethers ?

extracted

JOHN STRINGER
MARY STRINGER
Marriage: 16 NOV 1795 Rowley Regis, Stafford, England


found this but submitted

Mary Gravner
John Stringer
Marriage: 16 NOV 1795 Of, Rowley Regis, Stafford,



can anyone check that extracted marriage for witnesses please


this still dosent explian pre 1795 births for a john and mary who were they ?

Hi Peter, yes I believe there were two John and Mary's, from my research there were about 4 different Stringer families in Cradley Heath in 1841. Will find them later and list them. Children of John born 1764 son of Samuel and Elizabeth and his wife Mary Grosvenor, I have John Bap RR 1796, Phoebe Bap RR 1797, Elizabeth Bap RR 1800, Nancy Bap RR 1803, and Mary Bap RR 1804. The other Mary you listed Baptised 1792, could have been from this family, died as an Infant?

Witnesses to the Marriage of John Stringer and Mary Grosvenor were Ambrose Tromans and Benjamin Harris.
My Stringers are all living next to each other in Tibbetts Gardens in 1841:-
Samuel aged 70
Wife Sarah aged 60 she is the one that Hepzibah Clarke Niece is staying with in 1851
John Stringer 70
William Stringer 55
Wife Sarah nee Tromans
there children Hannah 15, William 10 and Samuel 8.

These three brothers are Samuel bap H/O 25.1.1767 to Samuel and Elizabeth Stringer
John bap RR 8.7.1764 to Samuel and Elizabeth
William bap Cradley 7.12. 1785 to Samuel and Elizabeth

I am positive after scouring the Parish Registers that there was only one Samuel and Elizabeth Stringer having children in this time frame. I believe they were the first Stringers in Cradley Heath, Samuel baptised H/O 1741 was the son of Wm Stringer born Halesowen 1700, he Married Hannah Windmill from RR. William and Hannah set up home in Cradley Heath, son Samuel Married Elizabeth Westwood and daughter Jane Married Benjamin Attwood. So this family were originally from the Hill and Cakemore area of Halesowen. Hope this clears up the confusion, best wishes from Linell.

[linell]

Checked on Ancestry and Linda Stoker and Dennis Wood also have Elizabeth Stringer as daughter of John & Mary and in turn Samuel Stringer and Elizabeth Westwood as John's parents.
The reason I did not put on Stringer details was because I was not 100% sure and it looked like there were two John & Marys and dates of b. of some children did not tie up with Mary Gravner or Grosvenor date of birth

Hi Mumbles, how do you know Mary Grosvenor's date of birth, she is not on any Census, her baptism may not be those you have found on the IGI, they could be other Mary Grosvenor's The only information I have is that she was buried in 1830 aged 67, but that could be wrong, you know that a lot of dates of death are often guessmates! Think you are hanging too much on Mary Grosvenor, we don't really know who she was or when she was actually born Best Wishes from Linell.

[mumbles]

Hi Linell,
I am not hanging anything on Mary Gravners d.o.b. I have simply presented info available and did not insert Stringer line on
bcc because it a) contradicted your line already on.b) there remained anomalies as regards dates of birth of children c) possibility of two John & Marys
Note as well as Dennis Wood and Linda Stoker showing line from Thomas Hipkiss other researchers on Ancestry and On Hipkiss Yahoo Group show line from Hipkiss.

[linell]

MARY STRINGER
Christening: 24 JUN 1792 Rowley Regis, Stafford,

JOHN STRINGER
Christening: 22 FEB 1795 Rowley Regis, Stafford,

Hi Mumbles, just to re-cap, I do not know who these two children were, both born before the Marriage of John Stringer and Mary Grosvenor.

I had a look for the odd Stringers I had found before in 1841, the ones I could not connect to my family. There was a William aged 50 Labourer, Wife Mary aged 50 in Corngreaves 1841, think they are also on the 1851, and they were born Halesowen, need to double check that. No children living with them, wonder if they were the parents of your Elizabeth?
There is also a Joseph aged 25 Wife Sarah 25 living in Cradley Heath in 1841, couldn't connect them to my lot either.

You have Samuel Stringer Snr born 1727, that is incorrect, I have his burial he was born 1741 Halesowen to William Stringer and Hannah Windmill, their children were:-
Samuel born 1732 Died July 1733 Buried Halesowen
Sarah born 1734 no further trace
Jane born 1738 Married Benjamin Attwood from RR
Samuel born 1741 Cradley Heath, died 1814 Cradley Heath Married Elizabeth Westwood from Warley 1739 - 1831

Notes on Samuel 1741:- It is possible that Samuel's father William is from Halesowen and his mother Hannah Windmill is from Rowley Regis, therefore the family made their home in Cradley Heath, perhaps living near Hannah's parents? William is listed as an Occupier in the Lower Rowley Regis Land Tax Records of 1781. Samuel's Burial is recorded in the Cradley Baptist Register, the whole family seem to have been Baptists. I believe that Samuel his children, grandchildren and great grandchildren all lived in the Lomey Town area of Cradley Heath, not far from Cradley Old Forge. Their associations criss cross the Staffordshire/Worcestershire boarder.

HTH from Linell.

[mumbles]

Hi Linell,
I repeat I am not stating anything as fact but simply noting details supplied from Records and various researchers on Ancestry. I have checked further and there are three Schools of thought on Ancestry a) Hipkiss Line b) James Clarke Line
c) No Ancestors of Elizabeth Stringer
Ref. Date of birth of Samuel if they married at 1858 that would put him at 17
Ref. location all Thomas Hipkiss/Elizabeth Hipkiss (Stringer ) references on Census are for Rowley or Old Hill which is totally different area to Cradley/ Halesowen and ties up with fact that Stringers we are dealing with are mostly on RR records
Hipkiss Elizabeth from Census has ages of birth on Census records as 1800,1800,1797,1798 and death at 1883 which puts birth at 1800
Clarke Elizabeth has date of birth variously as 1800 to 1802 so with christening of Elizabeth at 23/3/1800 and date of birth before this it is most likely that span from 1798 to 1800 is more corect.
What I am saying is that as with Ancestry the correct line is in dispute as evidence points either way
I will put together a tree to show Hipkiss version.
Regards

[mumbles]

Hi Linell
Below is Hipkiss version of tree

Samuel Stringer b.1727 m. Elizabeth Westwood b.1739 Halesowen

Married 28/8/1758
Halesowen

Children of Samuel & Elizabeth:-

Samuel b. 1767 died 1851
Hannah b. 21/21762
John 8/7/1764 married Mary Gravner 16/11/1795
William b. 8/9/1759
Mary b.1772 died 1773
Child 9/4/1773
Mary 24/1/1776 married John Smith 10/10/1796
Phebe b.15/5/1780
Sarah b.1782
Joseph b. 1787 died 1861

Children of John & Mary Stringer

19/3/1787 Child of John Stringer
Mary b.24/6/1792
John b.22/7/1795
Phebe b.13/8/1797
Elizabeth b.23/3/1800
Nancy b.1803
Mary b.1804

[linell]

Hi Mumbles, I personally would not take anything from Ancestry unless I had checked it myself, sure you feel the same. Ok Samuel Stringer's MI from Cradley Baptist Church says he died 1814 aged 74. That fits with his Baptism at Halesowen in 1741.

You say the evidence points either way regarding Elizabeth Stringer, well for me it doesn't as Hepzibah Clarke is staying with her Gt Aunt Sarah Stringer in 1851. You can't get much better evidence than that. Elizabeth who Married Thomas Hipkiss is someone else's daughter. Don't forget not everyone was baptised, there are a lot of missing registers, non conformist etc, some people do not show up until they Marry or they are on the Census. I will have a look later and see if I can find another possibility. Best Wishes from Linell.

[peterd]

mumbles wrote

Baptism :- John son of Samuel & Elizabeth Stringer 8/7/1764
Witnesses at weddings:-
John Stringer 15/11/1770
Samuel Stringer 19/7/1779
William Stringer 15/3/1780


who wedding john to mary ?


linell wrote

Witnesses to the Marriage of John Stringer and Mary Grosvenor were Ambrose Tromans and Benjamin Harris.




if both of these are correct then poss of two mary gravener/grovener



mumble wrote

Baptism :- Mary daughter of Samuel & Nancy Grovenor 9/8/1778


linell wrote

death :- 1830 aged 67 so born c 1863 if correct


possiblities

Baptism:- William son of William & Mary Gravenor 4/10/1725

if william married there a strong possibility if he had a daughter he would call her mary so poss anywhere after c1845 till 1865 +

also any brothers he might of had might also do the same



john stingers

Baptism :- John son of Samuel & Elizabeth Stringer 8/7/1764


Witnesses at weddings:-
John Stringer 15/11/1770 who did this john stringer marry

as there this ?

Burial :- Child of John Stringer 19/3/1787


looks like there a possibilty of two john stringers marring two mary gravener/grovener ?

[linell]

Grovenors from the Cradley Baptist Register:-
Hannah a member circa 1790 from Newtown
Samuel a member circa 1785 from Cradley Heath
Sarah a member circa 1785 from Cradley Heath (probably husband and wife)
Hannah burial 1806 aged 4

Not found a Mary yet.

Best Wishes Linell.

[mumbles]

Witness at Weddings RR do not appear relevant other than to validate John ,Samuel and William were over 21 at time
John Stringer at 5/11/1770 Wedding of John Green & Sarah Clement
Samuel Stringer 19/7/1779 Weding of John Bibb & Hannah Davis
William Stringer 15/3/1780 Wedding Timothy Smith & Betty Attwood

[linell]

Hi Mumbles, this one:- William Stringer 15/3/1780 Wedding Timothy Smith & Betty Attwood

Betty Attwood was Jane Stringer's daughter, William would have been her Grandfather, this is Wm from Halesowen who Married Hannah Windmill from RR.

Don't think we will get any further with this do you? I have already beenn through every bit of Stringer information that is available. I am happy with Elizabeth Daughter of John and Mary Stringer Marrying James Clarke. Many thanks from Linell.

[mumbles]

I agree Linell and that is why I left your Clarke line on Bcc without dispute. However I feel a note to effect that there is a dispute should be put alongside Thomas Hipkiss.
Whilst checking I found a lot more Stringers around Rowley and Blackheath.
e.g. Sarah Stringer and Elizabeth Stringer born 1826.
Sarah aged 24 Old Hill married a Timothy Smith aged 21 Old Hill ( another Stringer marrying a Timothy Smith) on 22/6/1846 her father Thomas Stringer, his father Joseph Smith
Also found 1841 Census for James and Elizabeth under Clarke
Regards

[Northern Lass]

I agree Linell and that is why I left your Clarke line on Bcc without dispute. However I feel a note to effect that there is a dispute should be put alongside Thomas Hipkiss.
Whilst checking I found a lot more Stringers around Rowley and Blackheath.
e.g. Sarah Stringer and Elizabeth Stringer born 1826.
Sarah aged 24 Old Hill married a Timothy Smith aged 21 Old Hill ( another Stringer marrying a Timothy Smith) on 22/6/1846 her father Thomas Stringer, his father Joseph Smith
Also found 1841 Census for James and Elizabeth under Clarke
Regards

Ok Mumbles I can add a short note saying that there is an alternative opinion and can copy the link from this topic once it is archived
( as the link changes format from one section to another)


In the meantime mumbles have you got that marriage for your Thomas Hikpkiss
12 May 1823
St Thomas Dudley

just wondered if we could be in luck and witnesses may shed some light as to this Elizabeths parents

[mumbles]

Nl,
Marriage witnesses at wedding are detailed by boz at beginning of this topic and suggest a "Priest Link" and suggestion that a sister of Elizabeth married a "Priest "

[Northern Lass]

I have added a brief note to the Elizabeth who married Thomas Hipkiss.
Please feel free Mumbles to add a little more to the notes