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Re: An enumerator who can not spell.

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 8:32 pm
by AndrewA
Give that Girl a coconut! yes, it is Ifield. well done!

Re: An enumerator who can not spell.

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 8:47 pm
by Margarett
Ifield? :?:

Re: An enumerator who can not spell.

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 9:34 pm
by AndrewA
Margarett wrote:Ifield? :?:

Yes IFIELD, its an old Saxon name. There is also a villiage and Parish in Sussex called Ifield. It was swallowed up by Crawley, but still retains its name as a district.

http://www.houseofnames.com/ifield-fami ... =54323-224

Re: An enumerator who can not spell.

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 8:29 am
by Northern Lass
Well done!

more please liked that game :P

Re: An enumerator who can not spell.

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 10:52 am
by Margarett
Remember Frank Ifield, anyone? Well, I'm far too young, but I remember my Mum talking about him!

Re: An enumerator who can not spell.

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 10:55 am
by Antie Em

Re: An enumerator who can not spell.

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 3:35 pm
by AndrewA
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This one is probably a little bit easier to work out, but it initially gave me a little trouble I remember, but of course now I know what it is, its obvious and I have no problem reading it, amazing how the brain works, but anyway, this one could have people stumped for days, or you could spot it in a moment, especially if you hit the right combination of letters and you already know this Surname, brain get more confudlled if its a word not stored in your memory somewhere.

Re: An enumerator who can not spell.

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 4:13 pm
by Marchesgirl
Is it Strudwick?

Re: An enumerator who can not spell.

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 4:25 pm
by Northern Lass
Marchesgirl wrote:Is it Strudwick?


Something Wick beginning with S I'm with MG no 2 :grin:

Re: An enumerator who can not spell.

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 7:20 pm
by Antie Em
Is it Sherwood ??

Re: An enumerator who can not spell.

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 8:06 pm
by Northern Lass
Antie Em wrote:Is it Sherwood ??



ooooh could be .......................I might change my mind and go with Mags :P

Re: An enumerator who can not spell.

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 8:14 pm
by AndrewA
ooo are your sure you want to change your mind Northern Lass.. I wouldnt :lol:

Aunty Em made a common assumption that the second letter is an h, well it looks like one doesn't it, however its not, and the previous answers of STRUDWICK is the correct answer.

SO looking this in more detail, the t is classic t found on census forms, the crossbars are often very long, in a poorly scanned image these bars are often overlooked as just a random mark on the page, or one of those enumerators tally and processing marks. The crossbar can also come out from the scan as rather weak and faint, which also adds to the brains assumption that the mark is not part of the text, when it is. Another problem with cross bars is a single stroke is often used to cross all the letters in a word and even several words, therefore confusion can come when a bar overlaps a letter other than T or F, giving impression of a double T, instead of LT.


Rs are often incorrectly interpreted and not surprisingly, as Aunty Em concluded. the correct way to write an R for this old style handwriting is shown below, however peoples handwriting becomes lazy and short cuts are made, so we often see the R as below, sometimes looking more like an inverted v.


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This also causes confusion when joined to an N as it often looks like an M. We see another classic example in the Strudwick example, just after the D comes W, but look at the beginning of the W, its identical to how this person has written the R, so now we think is this an R, to confuse things further, the letter S can also appear in this way.




This D is written in a style that most people write a D, long curving stem, even in this example, the loop is non existent, but the unique manner of the stem identifies it as a d.

W can be difficult to decipher, as it can look like any number of letter combinations, as with M, double N, U etc

The I is dotted, many cases the dots are there, but often high and several letters away, it is often easy to mistake a dot as a random mark on page, and of course vice versa.

K, not that clear, but can often be written as a broken letter, so its easy to confuse the main stem of the K as an l or t.

So anyway this shows you how important it is to write clearly and neatly, you never know who is going to try to read your scrawl in the future!

Therefore having read all this, you can look again at the entry of STRUDWICK and hopefully your brain will make the correct interpretation and it will be as clear as day!

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Re: An enumerator who can not spell.

Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 8:13 am
by SRD
Antie Em wrote:I remember him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAyC4x3W0Fo

Ah, but does he remember you... :grin:
I saw Frank Ifield in Porthcawl Working Man's Club in the 1970s. I was in the area visiting a Paper Mill as guests of the Union there (we had a workers exchange plan to show how decisions made in one factory affected the work of those in the other) and they laid on accomodation and 'entertainment' for us. I'm afraid Frank Ifield wasn't really the kind of entertainment a teenage SRD appreciated.

Sorry to go off topic.

Back to handwriting, I find that blowing the image up can sometimes be a distraction, my brain seems to recognise the picture of the word better if it's a more normal size.

Re: An enumerator who can not spell.

Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 9:50 am
by Northern Lass
Why are you transcribing all this lot Andrew? :shock:

Re: An enumerator who can not spell.

Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 10:22 am
by Rob
He's got a grudge against dyxlectic enumarators.
Has Pete had a look at this? I bet he'd be able to read them.