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peterd wrote:found these wonder if this is john srn marriage

JOHN EBBERN
ANN WHITING
Marriage: 07 FEB 1832 Walsgrave On Sowe, Warwick, Engla

think that lot are on the 1841 no John in 1841 as a couple and no John in 1851...farmers ...but from memory

Can we find this John and Ann on the 1851 and 1861 just to check if got a John with them dont think they had

I think that John who marries Winnifred is a Carpenter not sure

wot is a Polisher ...John snr on marriage is Polisher....does that mean furniture?

1881 3 Bk 14 Howe St Aston, Warwick,

John EBBERN 72 Sowe, Warwick, Aged
Winfred EBBERN 70 Sowe, Warwick,
Frederick OWEN Boarder 45 Macclesfield, Cheshire, House Painter
Ann OWEN 51 Shropshire,
Frederick OWEN 18 Wednesbury House Painter

can we track him back?

I think he is the one with that Ann
she must die
but no John with that couple

the marriage of John and Winnifred may hold more info

and what is this John with Winnifred on all the census ie occup

polisher could mean a french polisher its the shinny lacquer finish you use to get on old furniture

a carpenter would know how to do french polishing ?


could do with them early census first as winifred might be second wife

it is a later marriage

Marriages Sep 1870

Ebbern John Foleshill 6d 533
Edmonds Winifred Foleshill 6d 533

1871
213
Lawley Street, Aston
John Ebbern 65 - Carpenter - b Warwick, Warwickshire
Winnifred Ebbern 63 - b Long Buckby, Northamptonshire
Rosa Hannah Biggs 20 - Niece - Millner - b Birmingham
Susan E Prosser 9 - Boarder - b Middlesex London

Be interesting if on that marriage he is a widower...I think he was prev married to that Ann Whiting
she must die

be interesting to see also if he puts polisher as occup

what about that northamptonshire connection
martha was born there too

1861
9
Bedlam Farm, Foleshill
John Ebbern 50 - Farmer - b Sowe
Ann Ebbern 54 - b Sowe
Harriett Buswell 17 - Servant - b Kenilworth

Poss
1841
Enly Lane, Foleshill
John Ebbeon 30 - Farmer
Ann Ebbeon 35
both b in c

living in same house
Mary Whiting 75 - Ind
Lucy Amos 15 - F S - n b in c
Thomas Parritt 15 (looks like Parrish) - M S
Thomas Morris 60 - Ag lab
John Turner 15 - M S
others b in c

1851
113
Old Brook, Foleshill
John Ebbers 43 - Farmer of 276 acres, employing 4 - b Foleshill
Ann Ebbers 45 - b Foleshill
Thomas Parrill 19 (looks like Parish) - Farm labourer - b Coventry
William Russell 47 - Servant - b Kenilworth
Thomas Russentin 42 - Servant - b Hacconby?
John Russentin 13

Just found this.....Births Mar 1845
SMITH John *ins Aston 16 242

Cos I think he is that John Ebbler 1846 with those smiths in 1851
and then in 1861 he is a John smith

that could say Ebbins....and they cant read it!

can we work out via when he died when he should have been born
think he died 18th may 1902 age 56

so when would the birth be?

Deaths Jun 1902
Ebbon John 56 Aston 6d 195

found that marriage i was on about

THOMAS BOURN SMITH
SARAH BARRATT
Marriage: 22 NOV 1847 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick,

wonder if this could be Ebourn ?


a long shot but is it there marriage below ?

1881 Bk 98 Dartmouth St. Aston, Warwick
Thomas SMITH Head 64 Birmingham, Warwick, Gun Finisher
Sarah SMITH Wife 61 Birmingham, Warwick,
also
John SMITH Head 35 Birmingham, Warwick, Boiler Maker
Martha SMITH Wife 40 Northampton, Button Carder
Mary Ann SMITH 10 Birmingham, Warwick, Scholar
John Thomas SMITH 8 Birmingham, Warwick, Scholar
George Fredk. SMITH 3 Birmingham, Warwick,

peterd wrote:found that marriage i was on about

THOMAS BOURN SMITH
SARAH BARRATT
Marriage: 22 NOV 1847 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick,

wonder if this could be Ebourn ?


a long shot but is it there marriage below ?

1881 Bk 98 Dartmouth St. Aston, Warwick
Thomas SMITH Head 64 Birmingham, Warwick, Gun Finisher
Sarah SMITH Wife 61 Birmingham, Warwick,
also
John SMITH Head 35 Birmingham, Warwick, Boiler Maker
Martha SMITH Wife 40 Northampton, Button Carder
Mary Ann SMITH 10 Birmingham, Warwick, Scholar
John Thomas SMITH 8 Birmingham, Warwick, Scholar
George Fredk. SMITH 3 Birmingham, Warwick,

Well that is very very interesting Pete...wonder if it could be!
need that looked up......

Ok been thinking about this.....

What if Thomas Bourn Smith is his father and actually.....a Thomas John Ebbon or John Thomas Ebbbon
there was some talk before about 2 brothers falling out
and one of em changed their name....what better name to change it to than Smith!!

So we have Thomas Ebbon Smith

notice the job Gun finisher...well a finisher of guns could be surely called a Polisher too

and look what he calls his son a Thomas J Ebbon.

Perhaps that is why he is a Smith on 1881 (parents automatically gave enumerator the name Smith)
but he reverted back when married to orginal name ie Ebbon
1881 Bk 98 Dartmouth St. Aston, Warwick
Thomas SMITH Head 64 Birmingham, Warwick, Gun Finisher
Sarah SMITH Wife 61 Birmingham, Warwick,
also
John SMITH Head 35 Birmingham, Warwick, Boiler Maker
Martha SMITH Wife 40 Northampton, Button Carder
Mary Ann SMITH 10 Birmingham, Warwick, Scholar
John Thomas SMITH 8 Birmingham, Warwick, Scholar
George Fredk. SMITH 3 Birmingham, Warwick,
found that marriage i was on about

that marriage will be interesting if looked at

THOMAS BOURN SMITH
SARAH BARRATT
Marriage: 22 NOV 1847 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick,


1881 Bk 98 Dartmouth St. Aston, Warwick
Thomas SMITH Head 64 Birmingham, Warwick, Gun Finisher
Sarah SMITH Wife 61 Birmingham, Warwick,
also
John SMITH Head 35 Birmingham, Warwick, Boiler Maker
Martha SMITH Wife 40 Northampton, Button Carder
Mary Ann SMITH 10 Birmingham, Warwick, Scholar
John Thomas SMITH 8 Birmingham, Warwick, Scholar
George Fredk. SMITH 3 Birmingham, Warwick,


So I think we need to explore this Thomas Smith find him on all previous census
What u think?

I think there are 2 possible births...
if died 18 may 1902
June 1845 ( ie may/June regis)
March/June 1846 regis

Births Jun 1846
SMITH John Harry Aston 16 184

Births Jun 1845
SMITH John Aston 16 185

there is that one I flagged earlier but it is March 1845 and John Ebbon would have been 57 in 1902 when he died
SMITH John *ins Aston 16 242

the one that strikes me is the John Harry one
he calls one of his kids that I think...Henry ebbon dob Dec 1884 later called Harry

Can anyone find this guy and mrs in prev census please....1871 and so on....

1881 Bk 98 Dartmouth St. Aston, Warwick
Thomas SMITH Head 64 Birmingham, Warwick, Gun Finisher
Sarah SMITH Wife 61 Birmingham, Warwick,

there is I think a Clara with this family g. day

can someone just confirm please need to add her on.....

1871: Powell Street, Aston/Erdington, Warks
Thomas Smith 54 Head Gun Finisher
Sarah Smith 51 Wife
Clara Smith 7 Grand Daughter
all born Birmingham

Nice one Mally....

now can anyone find em on the 1861..hopefully with a John.....