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grangers14 wrote:I wonder if this was the year they married because there is a female missing from this list??


Joseph Arthur Cumings Jan-Feb-Mar 1898 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex
Ethel Lilian Goodwin Jan-Feb-Mar 1898 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex
Ivy Emma Hamilton Jan-Feb-Mar 1898 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex
Hilda Hyams Jan-Feb-Mar 1898 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex
Christina Maggs Jan-Feb-Mar 1898 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex
William Neal Jan-Feb-Mar 1898 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex
Leonard Wilson Price Jan-Feb-Mar 1898 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex
Albert James Simmons Jan-Feb-Mar 1898 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex 1c 552
Sidney John Ward Jan-Feb-Mar 1898 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex

Hi Jo

You could be on to something there. Where did you get this information? I'd like to try and check this out myself. Looks interesting.

Thanks

Julie

Oh goodness I was just checking to see if it showed better on freebmd and couldnt find it!

I thought it seemed a lot for that year.

I have put Births instead of Marriages! So sorry!
Jo

I dont have the 1911 what does that say? How many years married?
Jo

grangers14 wrote:I dont have the 1911 what does that say? How many years married?
Jo

Hi Jo

It said 24 years married.

Julie

Ive been looking all morning and cant see anything.

if you havent got the marriage with Edward Hammond its probably the best thing to buy. It will say her fathers name unless she didnt have a father
Jo

Hi Jo

Thanks for looking. You are certainly very thorough!

When I've got some spare cash there are a few original certificates that I need to get.

I am also trying to trace my father's side of the family, which is also proving to be a little difficult. My father's name is Alfred Henry Brown and his parents died in 1940 in the Blitz. (At least his Mum did!)

When I started investigating his side of the family I found that his mum died in 1940 in the family home, but his dad didn't. This didn't strike me as odd as I had assumed his father would have been fighting in the war at that time as he was the right age. It appears that he died in the war in 1942. My dad has no recollection of this at all.

My dad is absolutely convinced that his mum and dad were both in the house at the time of the bombing, but he was only 12 at the time and was injured in the bomb attack himself.

Anyway, that is another avenue to go down when I have the time. Brown isn't the easiest name to trace!

Thanks for your help so far.

Julie

Can this be archived Julie until you can get a certificate?
Jo

Hi Jo

Ok - no problem.

Thanks
Julie

Here you go Julie

Jo

grangers14 wrote:Ive been looking all morning and cant see anything.

if you havent got the marriage with Edward Hammond its probably the best thing to buy. It will say her fathers name unless she didnt have a father
Jo

Hi Jo

I have finally received the marriage certificate between Florence Simmons and Edward Hammond. She has stated that her father was Henry Arminger, which confirms what I thought. It doesn't, however, get me any closer to finding a birth certificate for my grandfather Henry.

I have found his school admission records and his birthday is noted as 16.6.1888. He doesn't appear to have been registered at birth as either Henry Arminger or Henry Simmons, so I am at a loss as to what to try next.

Any ideas!

blueangel

If this is the right one it says she married about 1887,

1911. 65 Hamilton Road, Bethnal Green E.
Albert James Simmons 49. Printers, warehouseman. London, United Kingdom.
Florence Simmons 52. London, United Kingdom.
William James Simmons 15. Son. VAN GUARD. London, United Kingdom.

Married 24 years, 4 children, 1 died.

1901. Mile End Old Town.
Albert J Simmons 39. Printers, warehouseman.
Florence Simmons 42. Wife. St Pancras, London.
Henry Simmons 12. Son. St George in the East, London.
Albert A Simmons 8. St George in the East, London.
William J Simmons 5. Son. Mile End, London.
George A Simmons 2. Son. Mile End, London.

1891. St George in the East.
Florence Arminger 52. Widow. could be 32. St Pancras, London.
Minnie Arminger 21. sister in law. Old Ford, London. should be sister.
David Arminger 11. Son. Hanton, London.
Henry Arminger 2. Son. St George in the East.
Elenor Arminger 5. St George in the East.
Bessie Arminger 1. St George in the East.


1871. Vine Cottage, Hackney.
Henry Arminger 43. Dyer. Reading, Berkshire.
Emma E Arminger 46. Caverswall, Middlesex.
Emily Arminger 17. St Pancras, London.
Florence E Arminger 12. St Pancras, London.
Ellen Arminger 11. St Pancras, London.
Minney Arminger 1. Old Ford, Middlesex.

1861.
Henry Arminger 33. Dyer. Reading, Berkshire.
Emma Arminger 34. Clerkingwell, Middlesex,
Elizabeth Arminger 6. Dau. St Pancras, London.
Emma L Arminger 5. Son. St Pancras, London.
Floria H Arminger 2. Dau. St Pancras, London.
Elenor Arminger 9 Months. Dau. St Pancras, London.
Emma Harvey 23. Lodger.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906.

Flora Henrietta Arminger.
Record Type: Baptism.
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1865. ( Image says born 20 Nov. 1858.)
Baptism Date: 25 Jun 1865.
Father's Name: Henry Turner Arminger. Dyer.
Mother's Name: Emma Eliza Arminger.
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary.
Borough: Islington.
Register Type: Parish Registers.

Births Dec 1858.
Arminger Florence Henrietta. Pancras. 1b. 131.

Jimmy wrote:
1891. St George in the East.
Florence Arminger 52. Widow. could be 32. St Pancras, London.
Minnie Arminger 21. sister in law. Old Ford, London. should be sister.
David Arminger 11. Son. Hanton, London.
Henry Arminger 2. Son. St George in the East.
Elenor Arminger 5. St George in the East.
Bessie Arminger 1. St George in the East.

I have looked for the birth of Elenor and have found a birth of Eleanor Florence born June Qtr 1886 in Mile End NOT St. George in the East. Bessie is NOT Bessie Arminger she appears to be Bessie Roberts born Dec Qtr 1889 in St. George in the East. I don't know who the mother is as Minnie may have been too young to have Eleanor, but could be the mother of Bessie.

Maybe there are some Baptism records that would show who the parents are.

Unfortunately, it doesn't help me find my grandfather who doesn't appear to have been registered as Simmons or Arminger.

Thanks for your help with this problem.

blueangel

blueangel wrote:My mum has the marriage certificate and it states his father's name as Albert Alfred Simmons, but no mother's maiden name. I can't find an Albert Alfred, but, have found an Albert James - not sure if it is right or not. Julie.

Can you post the full marriage details,

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Record for Bessie Roberts.

Register of births in the Infirmary.

Bessie Roberts.
Record Type: Birth.
Estimated Birth Date: 26 Dec 1889.
Mother's Name: Minnie Roberts.
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney.
Borough: Tower Hamlets.
Register Type: Parish Registers.