I have added those bapts for Jesses kids didn't know that ...it is interesting.
I dont think that the family in 1841 is the right one ...ie the one we have him connected to at the moment.
On that PR you quote at Bapt chapel clent is there any more info for that JOhn b 1817 ie prof of father or any other kids at that chapel for those parents?
I wondered if he puts Gardener being sarcastic? you know like shepherd for a vicar do they call vicars Gardeners to mean gods gardener...I know what I mean not explaining well
dianel wrote:Hi Lora, In those days "engineer" usually just meant the man who ran an engine in a factory. Cheers, Di
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 Name: Jesse Dunn Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1892 Age at Death: 74 Registration district: West Bromwich, Staffordshire
The only Silas Ward that I can see in the right area seems to have gone to America in 1842.
have you contacted the registrat to see who is burried in the same plot as jesse and who owned the plot ?
A person should have an opinion on everything, It becomes tact whether you reveal that opinion or not.
I have added those bapts for Jesses kids didn't know that ...it is interesting.
I dont think that the family in 1841 is the right one ...ie the one we have him connected to at the moment.
On that PR you quote at Bapt chapel clent is there any more info for that JOhn b 1817 ie prof of father or any other kids at that chapel for those parents?
I wondered if he puts Gardener being sarcastic? you know like shepherd for a vicar do they call vicars Gardeners to mean gods gardener...I know what I mean not explaining well
Yes, there are more kids at from the Non-conformist database for John and Sarah in Clent: John, 28 Jan 1810 Benjamin, 8 Nov 1811 Martha, 16 Nov 1813 David, 29 Nov 1815 John, 4 Jan 1817 (Jesse?) Joseph, 2 Sep 1819 Eliza, 26 Jul 1825
I haven't tried to do any further research yet. And yes, I was wondering if the "Gardener" was sarcastic too.
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dianel wrote:Hi Lora, In those days "engineer" usually just meant the man who ran an engine in a factory. Cheers, Di
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 Name: Jesse Dunn Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1892 Age at Death: 74 Registration district: West Bromwich, Staffordshire
The only Silas Ward that I can see in the right area seems to have gone to America in 1842.
have you contacted the registrat to see who is burried in the same plot as jesse and who owned the plot ?
No, I didn't even think of that. What organization would I go to on this?
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Which church is this then? cos not St Leonards Clent is it? John, 28 Jan 1810 Benjamin, 8 Nov 1811 Martha, 16 Nov 1813 David, 29 Nov 1815 John, 4 Jan 1817 (Jesse?) Joseph, 2 Sep 1819 Eliza, 26 Jul 1825
cos it should have the occupation of father for the ones after 1812
The one i looked at the actual document for in the BMD Register was the John from 1817. It was a book with 4 or 5 birth registration forms on one page and there wasn't a place to list the occupation. I'll have to go back and get more info on the church. The signature section said "Baptist Dissenting Minister" with a place for the signature. Since it was in the non-conformist database, i assumed it wasn't St. Leonards, but i'll double check as soon as i can.
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Bibliogirl wrote:The one i looked at the actual document for in the BMD Register was the John from 1817. It was a book with 4 or 5 birth registration forms on one page and there wasn't a place to list the occupation. I'll have to go back and get more info on the church. The signature section said "Baptist Dissenting Minister" with a place for the signature. Since it was in the non-conformist database, i assumed it wasn't St. Leonards, but i'll double check as soon as i can.
I have the clent book for St leonards and it isnt in there the non conformist parish registers normally are very good and have more info in than usual Prs.
Transcription from page 7 of the book from the Baptist Chapel of Clent.
"These are to certify, that John, son of John Dunn and of Sarah his wife, was born in Brettell Lane in the Parish of Kingswinford in the county of Stafford on the first (transcribed as fourth, but looks to me like fourth) day of January in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and seventeen. Registered by me{ John Dunn {Protestant Dissenting Minister"
Most of it is a pre-printed form with the names and dates dropped in. Would the county have the birth registration with the fathers occupation?
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Bibliogirl wrote:Transcription from page 7 of the book from the Baptist Chapel of Clent.
"These are to certify, that John, son of John Dunn and of Sarah his wife, was born in Brettell Lane in the Parish of Kingswinford in the county of Stafford on the first (transcribed as fourth, but looks to me like fourth) day of January in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and seventeen. Registered by me{ John Dunn {Protestant Dissenting Minister"
Most of it is a pre-printed form with the names and dates dropped in. Would the county have the birth registration with the fathers occupation?
no birth certifs that early only after 1837
but if what you are viewing are transcribed info might be worth finding out which archives that bapt Chapel of Clent is and sending the archives an email think it may be worcstershire and they may charge they do send out images of the PR
does anyone know that goes to dudley if that clent one is there? or is it worcs
Yesterday i found a John and Mary Dunn on the 1851 census in Beoley who were both 60...just barely right age to have had Jesse. John was a farmer. But i can't find them on the 1841 census. I'll look some more today. Farmer equal gardener?
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The other thing i want to look at closer is why did Jesse name his first and only son Henry? Henry was born around a year after Jesse and Thirza married so he probably was the first.
Thirza's father is not named Henry and while she had a brother named Henry, he as 6 when she married Jesse. I don't know if Tirza had any uncles named Henry. I do know that all four of Jesse and Thirza's girls had names that were in Thirza's family, so it may be the same with Henry.
Researching Burgess, Dunn, Marsh, Parks, Palmer, in Staffordshire & Worcestershire
1881 Moor Green Lane Kings Norton John Dunn wid 72 Gardener b Cleobury Mortimor Emma Dunn 42 dau b Hall Green
1841 Cinderbank Dudley John Dunn 40 cant read occup stone miner? Eliza Dunn 35 Thomas 15 John 14 Mary 12 Eliza 8 Frederick 6 Emma 2 yes George 4 yes /John Dunn 60 Mary Dunn 60 all others no born in county
Frederick Dunn England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 12 Oct 1834 BRIERLEY HILL,"‹STAFFORD,"‹ENGLAND parents: John Dunn,"‹ Elizabeth
Emma Dunn England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 30 Jun 1839 BRIERLEY HILL,"‹STAFFORD,"‹ENGLAND parents: John Dunn,"‹ Eliza
poss... John Dunn England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 29 Jun 1800 BRIERLEY HILL,"‹STAFFORD,"‹ENGLAND parents: John Dunn,"‹ Mary
1851 Cinderbank Dudley John Dunn 50 head married b Staffordshire Kingswinford Eliza Dunn 47 b Salop Madeley Frederick Dunn 14 b Staff Kingswinford George Dunn 12 b Dudley Emma Dunn 11 b Dudley //John Dunn 81 head married Coal miner bKingswinford Mary Dunn 82 b Kingswinford //Thomas Dunn head married 26? b Kingswinford Mary Ann Dunn wife married 19 b Dudley Ann Dunn dau 8 mths b Dudley
